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    Some media guy on Twitter said introductory press for kawhi and green Sept21

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    A player changes his agent and most people think he will leave his team next offseason...
    That Lakers-Rondo signing makes more sense now. Lakers can get Demarcus or Quitter to play next to Anthony Davis/LBJ. End may be near for Warriors.

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    Can they afford two max free agents?

    Also, how long is AD's contract? Does he have an opt out?

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    There are a new version for mobile
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=275550

    If it doesn't work for you or doesn't fix the issues, just post in this thread asking timvp to help you.
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=275424
    Thanks s milli.... An I tried the mobile thing, it didn't help either.

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    Can they afford two max free agents?

    Also, how long is AD's contract? Does he have an opt out?
    Davis isn't eligible to be a FA until summer of 2020. He has opt out he can use in 2020.

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    Thanks s milli.... An I tried the mobile thing, it didn't help either.
    Do you happen to use Firefox? Disabling the tracking protection fixed this problem for me.

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    Deng signs with Minny

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    Honestly, I'm wondering if we should move whatever it takes to get Sekou. The offer would need to go well beyond both picks/rights to Hanga/Forbes (if he has a great season). Would need to include some of White/rights to Milutinov/rights to Blossomgame. I'm really sold on him.
    Man, I really think you're overrating the Spurs assets. He is currently the second pick in Draft Nets 2019 mock, even if he ends up being 12 that is probably still pretty safely out of the Spurs grasp.

    Forbes doesn't and likely won't have much trade value.

    Militinov was a 1st rounder from 4 years ago, he's been a decent player on a good team but nothing to really get worked up about.

    Hangs is 29 an under contract for a couple more seasons

    White played only 137 minutes as a rookie, he looks to have a nice set of skills but until he shows it, he doesn't have much value either.

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    Man, I really think you're overrating the Spurs assets. He is currently the second pick in Draft Nets 2019 mock, even if he ends up being 12 that is probably still pretty safely out of the Spurs grasp.

    Forbes doesn't and likely won't have much trade value.

    Militinov was a 1st rounder from 4 years ago, he's been a decent player on a good team but nothing to really get worked up about.

    Hangs is 29 an under contract for a couple more seasons

    White played only 137 minutes as a rookie, he looks to have a nice set of skills but until he shows it, he doesn't have much value either.
    Spurs have no trade value. All of our farm assets are with the team and most are stinky anyway besides Walker and Murray. The rest of our guys are junky Euro players with contractual restrictions. We can't get anything from other teams without trading core at this point.

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    Spurs have no trade value. All of our farm assets are with the team and most are stinky anyway besides Walker and Murray. The rest of our guys are junky Euro players with contractual restrictions. We can't get anything from other teams without trading core at this point.
    No value to other teams. I never liked Forbes and don't think his ceiling is particularly good.

    I guess there is still hope that Milultinov can be a rotation big but PATFO waiting 4 years to bring him over worries me.

    White has a chance to be good but he has to actually play.

    Poeltl could end up being a solid 25 mpg starting 5

    2 first rounders are good assets, even late firsts, and the Spurs do have all of their 1sts going forward, so that is good.

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    Spurs have no trade value. All of our farm assets are with the team and most are stinky anyway besides Walker and Murray. The rest of our guys are junky Euro players with contractual restrictions. We can't get anything from other teams without trading core at this point.
    Yeah, I think you rank the assets as:

    Walker Murray

    Poeltl

    Spurs pick
    White
    Raps Pick

    Metu Milutinov

    Nothing else is worth even talking about. Honestly, the last two aren't, but maybe they could fill in a gap. Honestly, the Spurs' best-case scenario would be for Toronto to completely tank and give SA two high-seconds. That would hurt them for trading purposes, but it would give them two years of access to the top of the second round, which is my favorite area for finding gems. If the Spurs end up with like 24 and 28, I'd rather see them use the picks than trade up to 18 or so. If they do look to trade, I'd much rather trade down with that second pick for multiple assets (not for cash) rather than moving up a few spots, unless a good prospect falls for some reason like with Walker.

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    Davis isn't eligible to be a FA until summer of 2020. He has opt out he can use in 2020.
    so Pelicans have this year and then they are in "big market team coming for your small town superstar" territory. What is the ceiling on a trade package for AD that doesn't include the Celtics and all the players and picks they can throw at NOLA? Is AD and Rich Paul going to go with the KL tactic of "we only want to be traded to the Lakers"?

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    No value to other teams. I never liked Forbes and don't think his ceiling is particularly good.

    I guess there is still hope that Milultinov can be a rotation big but PATFO waiting 4 years to bring him over worries me.

    White has a chance to be good but he has to actually play.

    Poeltl could end up being a solid 25 mpg starting 5

    2 first rounders are good assets, even late firsts, and the Spurs do have all of their 1sts going forward, so that is good.
    Exactly. We have a bunch of guys we could develop, but no George Hill's or Kawhi Leonard's (young guys we developed that have good/great value) atm. Totally agree if we actually give PT to guys like Poetl, White, Metu ... even BGame, they may end up being good and develop good trade value.

    Yes on the 1sts, even if our acquired 1sts are back-end picks. But teams would want a 1st and a pick for likely anyone good enough to get (that much over replacement value to replace someone already in the rotation *cough* mills *cough* Cunningham).
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    Honestly, the Spurs' best-case scenario would be for Toronto to completely tank and give SA two high-seconds.
    That could totally happen btw. Kawhi feels even a twinge in his Thigh Owie and Uncle whispers in his ear to shut it down for the rest of the year. Drake goes into hiding as Fat Lowry can't carry them without DeFrozen who meanwhile is beasting down in South Texas. Lakers sign Kawhi anyway, but on the cheap for a huge Magic Johnson win.



    What's funny is if he does this, which is entirely possible if his injury is anything like he said it was last year (where he sat out an entire year bc he couldn't take the pain ), he will have lost over 2 years, the SuperMax, and a regular Max deal. what a moron.

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    Lakers could put together a trade package for Davis. I think they'd still have room for room to give Kawhi a max. Davis's contract isn't as cheap as Kawhi's (right now) but it was done before the second large jump in the cap. KCP/Wagner/Ingram/Lonzo works for AD on RealGM. Magic would try something like that for sure.

    And you have no clue how well White/Forbes will do this year. They could become assets. Honestly, even moving to like 16 . . . who knows what could happen. But I don't really know how quickly the SF's fall off after Barrett/Zion/Sekou/Little so maybe it's not worth it.

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    So Lakers gonna trade for Anthony Davis and pray Kawhi wants to be a Laker still.

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    What's funny is if he does this, which is entirely possible if his injury is anything like he said it was last year (where he sat out an entire year bc he couldn't take the pain ), he will have lost over 2 years, the SuperMax, and a regular Max deal. what a moron.
    I wouldn't call a moron an injured player, if he can't play at great level to get those max contracts anymore, it's not his fault. Injuries happen and ruin careers, nothing new.


    That Lakers-Rondo signing makes more sense now. Lakers can get Demarcus or Quitter to play next to Anthony Davis/LBJ. End may be near for Warriors.
    So Lakers gonna trade for Anthony Davis and pray Kawhi wants to be a Laker still.
    I doubt it. Two days ago, Ramona said that Lakers are looking for Klay not Kawhi.
    Better fit with LeBron, Kawhi's injury is an issue short and long term, lower salary, and the part they love about this move...if they get Klay, it weakens GSW. She said they would like to sign Klay and a top big like AD/Cousins.

    If Kawhi's camp still wants to sign with Lakers, his representatives will get only A-bag-of-Doritos/4 y
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    So Klay is going to leave to be Lebron’s #2 or 3. I don’t care if his father played there, he is only leaving to a featured player somewhere not Lebron’s sidekick.

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    So Klay is going to leave to be Lebron’s #2 or 3. I don’t care if his father played there, he is only leaving to a featured player somewhere not Lebron’s sidekick.
    IMO, Klay dosn’t Have the game for a featured player. He is an elite sidekick.

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    Yet Bertans, who goes +.5 in height, equal in weight, -2.5 in wingspan, can.

    And Bell, who goes -1.5 in height, -1 in weight, -.75 in wingspan, can play C.



    Not impossible Spurs end up a 2nd tier team, but 3rd (14-22) is more likely. Specifically, the mid-high portion of that is probably most likely. The Raptors' pick should be 27-30. Combined, that could probably get them a late lottery-mid round pick.

    It's worth it to move up if they think it's the difference between getting a possible long term answer at SF or not. That needs to be the goal more so than depth considering the gaping hole at and importance of that position, as well as the decent haul of young talent they've ac ulated the past few years.

    Hunter seems interesting and even though it means little at this stage, as of right now is thought to go in the 3rd tier range.
    -I don't expect the Spurs to struggle enough to be picking in the teens again this season, barring last season's injury luck. I could see them finishing 5th in the West and there being three or four teams in the East with better records but that would land them pick number 21 or 22. Maybe that plus 26 or 27 lands PATFO the 15th or 16th pick, depending on what team is picking there and whether they like the players within that range.


    -SF is the definitely the biggest hole on the roster and the Spurs are going to need a long term option there, this draft is probably their best chance to get one.

    Even if that player isn't going to be ready to contribute during DDRs and LMAs last season under contract, finding one that has starter potential to slot in next to Murray and Walker for the foreseeable future should be the priority.

    -There are currently about 7 wings that are currently being mocked as potential 1st round picks; for all we know Hunter (for example) could be available in the early 20's, post tournament, combine, and individual workouts- where players can significantly improve their standing, leap frogging others, leaving the Spurs with the Raps pick do do with it what they please.
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    I imagine that at least one of the Lawsons will be around when the Spurs pick. Identifying the best one and hoping that one falls would be important, but even if they are only as good as the Morris twins, that would be a tremendous get at a position of need. I know he's sat out a year, but Dedric in particular looks to be exactly what the Spurs need in that he has the size, length and defensive potential. In the shallowest of comparisons, it looks like Lawson two years ago holds up pretty well against Hunter last year and Kawhi the year he came out:

    http://www.tankathon.com/players/com...-kawhi-leonard

    I think I'm going to turn the TT over a bit earlier this year, at least in terms of the draft. That way, we'll have threads to follow guys during the season.

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    -I don't expect the Spurs to struggle enough to be picking in the teens again this season, barring last season's injury luck. I could see them finishing 5th in the West and there being three or four teams in the East with better records but that would land them pick number 21 or 22. Maybe that plus 26 or 27 lands PATFO the 15th or 16th pick, depending on what team is picking there and whether they like the players within that range.


    -SF is the definitely the biggest hole on the roster and the Spurs are going to need a long term option there, this draft is probably their best chance to get one.

    Even if that player isn't going to be ready to contribute during DDRs and LMAs last season under contract, finding one that has starter potential to slot in next to Murray and Walker for the foreseeable future should be the priority.

    -There are currently about 7 wings that are currently being mocked as potential 1st round picks; for all we know Hunter (for example) could be available in the early 20's, post tournament, combine, and individual workouts- where players can significantly improve their standing, leap frogging others, leaving the Spurs with the Raps pick do do with it what they please.
    I have no idea how good Wilkes/King/Tillie are who I assume are the remaining 3 SF first round prospects after the obvious top 4. Tillie is more of a 3/4 as opposed to a 2/3 compared to the other two. All are massive for their position, though. Might just have to go with the most coachable one.

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    Yeah a couple of prospects that we might draft have size height 6’7 + and wingspan over 7’ I think we have a chance of getting a talented SF prospect.

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    I wouldn't call a moron an injured player, if he can't play at great level to get those max contracts anymore, it's not his fault. Injuries happen and ruin careers, nothing new.
    Ok, poster with screen named Kawhi. Not a player-fan at all I see.

    And no, he wasn't that hurt. If he really was, why was he going to Dodger games with Magic Johnson right after the season ended. Also why did he declare himself 100% the week before the draft and right after the season ended (conveniently).


    Anyway we will soon find out. Either way if he was truly hurt that bad and is never the same it wasn't our fault, we babied the out of him and it was he who went super hard during the summer and he who went to China, not the Spurs. And we would have dodged a huge bullet by not offering the Super Max to (psychologically and physically) damaged goods. And if he was a punk and just played the whole organization for a year for 19 MILLION DOLLARS with a fake injury and comes out gangbusters, shame on him, and good for the Spurs for not offering the SuperMax to a liar who is willing to drag the franchise down. The same franchise who helped him win a ring and notariety so early, and who took a chance on a 19 year old who wasn't that good, and developed him into a player with superstar skills.

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    -I don't expect the Spurs to struggle enough to be picking in the teens again this season, barring last season's injury luck. I could see them finishing 5th in the West and there being three or four teams in the East with better records but that would land them pick number 21 or 22. Maybe that plus 26 or 27 lands PATFO the 15th or 16th pick, depending on what team is picking there and whether they like the players within that range.


    -SF is the definitely the biggest hole on the roster and the Spurs are going to need a long term option there, this draft is probably their best chance to get one.

    Even if that player isn't going to be ready to contribute during DDRs and LMAs last season under contract, finding one that has starter potential to slot in next to Murray and Walker for the foreseeable future should be the priority.

    -There are currently about 7 wings that are currently being mocked as potential 1st round picks; for all we know Hunter (for example) could be available in the early 20's, post tournament, combine, and individual workouts- where players can significantly improve their standing, leap frogging others, leaving the Spurs with the Raps pick do do with it what they please.
    Sure, they could do better than late teens, but I wouldn't call it a struggle if they didn't. Just about any order between them and the likes of the Nuggets, Pacers, Lakers, Bucks, Timberwolves, Pelicans, Trail Blazers, Wizards and to a lesser extent, Thunder and Jazz, wouldn't surprise me.

    It's impossible to predict a draft outside of the elite prospects this far in advance, but Hunter fits the profile of the type of player who should be valued higher than where he's currently listed at. Ideally, he's available with their own pick. If not, he's someone to consider trading up for.

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