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    Sochan is not strong offensively. Poor shooter
    I've posted before, his shooting numbers as a freshman are almost exactly the same as Kawhi's were as a sop re, just slightly better.

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    It seemed very old school in it’s choices and preferences.
    He's actually negs Duren for being old school.

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    He's actually negs Duren for being old school.
    he dinged several bigs for not having stretch capabilities. and others for not being able to guard multiple positions.

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    Assuming we are at 9 and he isn’t gone, I keep coming back to Johnny Davis. Malthurin may be the better player eventually on most teams, but with Pop I see it as the opposite; I can see Pop loving Davis’ compe ive fire and finding a way to maximize Davis. Context is key for all these players. I think Pop would work with Davis well; same for Sochan.

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    Assuming we are at 9 and he isn’t gone, I keep coming back to Johnny Davis. Malthurin may be the better player eventually on most teams, but with Pop I see it as the opposite; I can see Pop loving Davis’ compe ive fire and finding a way to maximize Davis. Context is key for all these players. I think Pop would work with Davis well; same for Sochan.
    Agree. Mathurin is very athletic and has huge potential, but he has concerns playing off the ball, which is extremely important in Pop's offense, and he's not good defensively. Davis feels very Spursy yet with an ability to create his own shots, which barely any franchise SGs or wings have been able to do since, like, Gervin. (Manu aside.)

    I'm basically for Davis or Sochan at this point. Which just says neither will be the pick.

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    Pop is 73 and you're concerned about whether a top 10 pick, on a team in desperate need of anything resembling dynamic talent, can fit into his "system" (which is primarily being utilized because of the lack of said dynamic talent).

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    I don’t see Pop leaving for another two years. Rookie contracts are, what, 4 years? I don’t see the realistic advantage of drafting another Lonnie Walker with skills but lacks the maturity or readiness to compete if Pop is still around operating under his normal preferences and whims. Different scenario at picks 1-7, but around 8 or 9 the talent flattens.

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    Pop is 73 and you're concerned about whether a top 10 pick, on a team in desperate need of anything resembling dynamic talent, can fit into his "system" (which is primarily being utilized because of the lack of said dynamic talent).
    He's not going anywhere, and whoever takes over will retain the same general style. Franchises don't really change their iden ies that readily, if ever.

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    You don't know that and even if true, so what? The goal here should be BPA in terms of long term value, not what's best for a 73 year old's precious "system".

    Outside of here and a few other places who lack the personnel for it, the universal NBA "system" now is essentially an inverted one of the old one (unless you're the Nuggets or 76ers): Seek out the biggest liability defender on the opposition in space (generally a big or small guard), high screen, if necessary rescreen, get the switch, if given enough cushion, pull up jumper, if not blow by and depending on whether the help is timely either get all the way to the rim or drop off/kick out.

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    He's not going anywhere, and whoever takes over will retain the same general style. Franchises don't really change their iden ies that readily, if ever.
    Disagree, they changed from Drossos to Bob Bass to Pop, all very different. The early Spurs were built around run and gun offense.

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    Disagree, they changed from Drossos to Bob Bass to Pop, all very different.
    yeah, but that era was very different. while there were coaches such as moe and albeck, and even larry brown, that ran certain style of offenses ultimately there was no organizational system or philosophy in place. but that doesn't mean that you can't run a different scheme, or that a coach can't change his scheme, no matter his age.

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    Pop’s system evolves more than his personality. He likes tough players and hazes naive, weak young players. I’m hyperbolizing but somewhat true.

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    The most exciting teams the Spurs had were the 1970s teams. Drossos wanted to get exciting players with athleticism and was much better with improving the team with trades than Pop.

    Pop is more defensive minded.

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    The most exciting teams the Spurs had were the 1970s teams. Drossos wanted to get exciting players with athleticism and was much better with improving the team with trades than Pop.

    Pop is more defensive minded.
    Pop is more championship minded.

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    Disagree, they changed from Drossos to Bob Bass to Pop, all very different. The early Spurs were built around run and gun offense.
    It's hysteresis. Things don't change that rapidly. The Knicks have a key set of characteristics. The Warriors have a key set of characteristics. These live both on the court and off. Anyway, no one should expect the Spurs to suddenly become a bunch of ballers shuttling up and down the court with no structure once Pop leaves.

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    Pop’s system evolves more than his personality. He likes tough players and hazes naive, weak young players. I’m hyperbolizing but somewhat true.
    I can see Keldon being tough and Luca Sammich being weak and naive . Yep spot on.

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    6’7 guard. Projected late FRP.


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    6’7 guard. Projected late FRP.

    He played for a terrible Nebraska team, but that's not his fault. His problem is that all his talent is on one side of the ball. You rarely see a draft prospect post a negative DBPM out of college, yet there you go.

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    I don’t see Pop leaving for another two years. Rookie contracts are, what, 4 years? I don’t see the realistic advantage of drafting another Lonnie Walker with skills but lacks the maturity or readiness to compete if Pop is still around operating under his normal preferences and whims. Different scenario at picks 1-7, but around 8 or 9 the talent flattens.
    Wait… are you comparing Mathurin to Lonnie Walker??

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    Wait… are you comparing Mathurin to Lonnie Walker??
    Not exactly, but fair question. I think Mathurin will likely be better but on the Spurs I see Davis having a better path to success.

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    He played for a terrible Nebraska team, but that's not his fault. His problem is that all his talent is on one side of the ball. You rarely see a draft prospect post a negative DBPM out of college, yet there you go.
    Yes the D is bad but i think the offensive potential is huge, could be a nice late first pick.

    I've posted before, his shooting numbers as a freshman are almost exactly the same as Kawhi's were as a sop re, just slightly better.
    And the shooting form is good, he was good last year on corner three ( right side ) and on the top of the key threes. He can make them without a doubt.

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    A good article on Leonard Miller. Some, like ESPN, still see him in the late 1st or early 2nd, which doesn't seem right. If he's still there in the 20s I definitely have him on my list. I think he'll wind up going much earlier.

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/05/nba...overtime-elite

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    A good article on Leonard Miller. Some, like ESPN, still see him in the late 1st or early 2nd, which doesn't seem right. If he's still there in the 20s I definitely have him on my list. I think he'll wind up going much earlier.

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/05/nba...overtime-elite
    his pre-draft process bears a closer watch.

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    his pre-draft process bears a closer watch.
    He also sounds confident but not an asshole. We'll see.

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