Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[Chris]

Nah, the copying is sad. I know you have no independent political thoughts, but come on....

Cub really did a number on you didn't he?

Actually that wouldn't point to corruption within the DNC; it would point to Russian infiltration of the DNC.

You sure you want to go down that road, Chris?

I'm fine with it.

lol

That blanket statement/opinion thingy again. You can have that.

[Pavlov]

Cub really did a number on you didn't he?

Nope.

That blanket statement/opinion thingy again. You can have that.

It's what the memo says and you think that memo is gold.

Chris thinks the Russians infiltrated the DNC.

[Chris]

Nope.

Yep.

It's what the memo says and you think that memo is gold.

Chris thinks the Russians infiltrated the DNC.

You are having trouble differentiating between the Steele Dossier and an unreleased memo. That's OK.

[Pavlov]

You are having trouble differentiating between the Steele Dossier and an unreleased memo. That's OK.

They're all memos, Chris.

You think the ones that seem to support your conspiracy theory are the bestest and gospel truth evidence.

In other words, Steele memo good.

[Chris]

They're all memos, Chris.

You think the ones that seem to support your conspiracy theory are the bestest and gospel truth evidence.

In other words, Steele memo good.

Sorry, your blanket statement still has no merit no matter how many times you repeat or sugar coat it. My position is clear. You remain in the shadows with the denizens of the swamp.

[djohn2oo8]

Lordy have mercy!!!!!

[djohn2oo8]

[djohn2oo8]

Lordy!!!!!!!!

[djohn2oo8]

If you say it I love it!!!!

[Pavlov]

Sorry, your blanket statement still has no merit no matter how many times you repeat or sugar coat it. My position is clear. You remain in the shadows with the denizens of the swamp.

Which Steele memos are good in your opinion?

[Pavlov]

Lordy have mercy!!!!!

This is the stupidest president we have ever had.

[Pavlov]

following the money



Here's Bill and George relaxing in the Dominican Republic

http://www.elportal.com.do/en/bill-c...-george-nader/

George Nader is a listed donor for the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Foundation took in over $10 million from the UAE while Hillary was Secretary of State.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...on-donor-list/

George Nader, a Lebanese American businessman who helped organize and attended the Seyc es meeting, has testified on the matter before a grand jury gathering evidence about discussions between the Trump transition team and emissaries of the Kremlin, as part of Mueller’s investigation into Russian efforts to interfere with the 2016 election.

Nader began cooperating with Mueller after he arrived at Dulles International Airport in mid-January and was stopped, served with a subpoena and questioned by the FBI, these people said. He has met numerous times with investigators.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.a200f3798c20

HE WAS WORKING AS A SECRET AGENT FOR THE CLINTONS!

[Chris]

Which Steele memos are good in your opinion?

That "the Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting US Republican presidential candidate, Donald TRUMP for at least 5 years" and that "the TRUMP operation was both supported and directed by Russian President Vladimir PUTIN." (Dossier, p. 1)

False


That Putin's "aim" with supporting Trump was "to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." "Its aim was to sow discord and disunity both within the US itself, but more especially within the Transatlantic alliance which was viewed as inimical to Russia's interests."] (Dossier, p. 1-2)

False


That a major goal of the Russians in supporting Trump was "to upset the liberal international status quo, including on Ukraine-related sanctions, which was seriously disadvantaging the country. TRUMP was viewed as divisive in disrupting the whole US political system; anti-Establishment; and a pragmatist with whom they could do business." (Dossier, p. 28-29)

False


That "[s]o far TRUMP has declined various sweetener real estate business deals offered him in Russia in order to further the Kremlin’s cultivation of him. However he and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." (Dossier, p. 1)

Possibly true


That there was a "well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between [the Trump campaign] and the Russian leadership" to defeat "Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON", and that there was a "Kremlin campaign to aid TRUMP and damage CLINTON"(Dossier, pp. 7, 13)

False


That "in terms of established operational liaison between the TRUMP team and the Kremlin, the emigre confirmed that an intelligence exchange had been running between them for at least 8 years. Within this context PUTIN's priority requirement had been for intelligence on the activities, business and otherwise, in the US of leading Russian oligarchs and their families. TRUMP and his associates duly had obtained and supplied the Kremlin with this information."(Dossier, p. 11)

Possibly true, but doubtful


That "there was a fair amount of anger and resentment within the Republican candidate's team at what was perceived by PUTIN as going beyond the objective of weakening CLINTON and bolstering TRUMP, by attempting to exploit the situation to undermine the US government and democratic system more generally."(Dossier, p. 17)

Possibly true


That "the Republican candidate's campaign manager, Paul MANAFORT" had "managed" the "well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between [the Trump campaign] and the Russian leadership", and that he used "foreign policy advisor, Carter PAGE, and others as intermediaries".(Dossier, p. 7)

Doubtful


That Trump's foreign policy adviser, Carter Page, served as an intermediary for Manafort and had "conceived and promoted" the idea of leaking the stolen DNC emails to WikiLeaks during the 2016 Democratic National Convention. (Dossier, p. 7, 17)

False


That Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, played a "key role" in the Trump–Russia relationship[3] by arranging cover-ups and "deniable cash payments", and that his role had grown following Manafort's departure from the campaign. (Dossier, pp. 18, 32, 34-35)

Possibly true


That "COHEN now was heavily engaged in a cover up and damage limitation operation in the attempt to prevent the full details of TRUMP’s relationship with Russia being exposed."(Dossier, p. 32)

Doubtful


That Page was instrumental in making a deal for Trump of a 19% stake (ca. $11 billion) in Rosneft oil company in exchange for Trump lifting the anti-Russian sanctions after his election. (Dossier, pp. 31-32)

Doubtful


That "PUTIN motivated by fear and hatred of Hillary CLINTON.... Hillary CLINTON, whom President PUTIN apparently both hated and feared." (Dossier, p. 7)

False


That "TRUMP was viewed as divisive in disrupting the whole US political system; anti-Establishment; and a pragmatist with whom they could do business. As the TRUMP support operation had gained momentum, control of it had passed from the MFA to the FSB and then into the presidential administration where it remained, a reflection of its growing significance over time. There was still a view in the Kremlin that TRUMP would continue as a (divisive) political force even if he lost the presidency and may run for and be elected to another public office."(Dossier, p. 29)

Possibly True


That kompromat exists on Trump in the form of blackmailable acts of paying bribes and engaging in "perverted sexual acts" in Russia.(Dossier, pp. 1-2, 8, 11, 27)

Laughably False


That Trump "hated" Obama so much that he hired the Presidential suite of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Moscow and had pros utes perform a "golden showers" show in front of him in order to defile the bed used by President and Mrs. Obama on a previous visit. This is alleged to have happened in 2013. The alleged incident was reportedly secretly filmed and recorded by the FSB for potential blackmail. (Dossier, p. 2)

Laughably False


That "TRUMP’s unorthodox behavior in Russia over the years had provided the authorities there with enough embarrassing material on the now Republican presidential candidate to be able to blackmail him if they so wished." (Dossier, p. 2)

Laughably False


That "Russians apparently have promised not to use 'kompromat' they hold on TRUMP as leverage, given high levels of voluntary co-operation forthcoming from his team." (Dossier, p. 11)

Laughably False


That Trump had explored the real estate sectors in St Petersburg and Moscow, "but in the end TRUMP had had to settle for the use of extensive sexual services there from local pros utes rather than business success". (Dossier, p. 8) That "TRUMP had visited St Petersburg on several occasions in the past and had been interested in doing business deals there involving real estate....[T]hat TRUMP had paid bribes there to further his interests but very discreetly and only through affiliated companies, making it very hard to prove.... [T]hat TRUMP had participated in sex parties in the city too, but that all direct witnesses to this recently had been 'silenced' i.e. bribed or coerced to disappear." (Dossier, p. 27)

Laughably False


That Trump's "team were relatively relaxed about" "the negative media publicity surrounding alleged Russian interference in the U.S. election campaign in support of Trump" "because it deflected media and the Democrats' attention away from Trump's business dealings in China and other emerging markets. Unlike in Russia, these were substantial and involved the payment of large bribes and kickbacks which, were they to become public, would be potentially very damaging to their campaign."(Dossier, p. 8)

Possibly true but irrelevant nonetheless


That Putin ordered the keeping of a secret dossier on Hillary Clinton with content dating back to the time of the Clinton presidency and comprised mainly of eavesdropped conversations, some from bugging devices and others from phone intercepts. That it did not contain "details/evidence of unorthodox or embarrassing behavior", but focused more on "things she had said which contradicted her current positions on various issues". That it had been collated by the FSB and was managed by Dmitry Peskov, Putin's press secretary. (Dossier, pp. 1, 3)

Possibly True


That Russia was responsible for the DNC email hacks and the recent appearance of the stolen DNC e-mails on WikiLeaks, and that the reason for using WikiLeaks was "plausible deniability".(Dossier, pp. 7-8)

False (see:Seth Rich)


That "the operation had been conducted with the full knowledge and support of TRUMP and senior members of his campaign team."(Dossier, p. 8)

False


That Trump's foreign policy adviser Carter Page had "conceived and promoted" the idea of "leaking the DNC e-mails to WikiLeaks during the Democratic Convention" "to swing supporters of Bernie SANDERS away from Hillary CLINTON and across to TRUMP."
(Dossier, p. 17)

False


That the hacking of the DNC servers was performed by Romanian hackers ultimately controlled by Putin and paid by both Trump and Putin. (Dossier, pp. 34-35)

False


That Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen, had a secret meeting with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016, where he arranged "deniable cash payments" to the hackers and sought "to cover up all traces of the hacking operation",[37][23] as well as "cover up ties between Trump and Russia, including Manafort's involvement in Ukraine". (Dossier, pp. 18, 34-35)

False


That former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who was pro-Russian and requested Russian military intervention in Ukraine before he fled to Russia in 2014, told Putin he had been making supposedly untraceable "kick-back payments" to Paul Manafort, who was Trump's campaign manager at the time. (Dossier, p. 20)

Possibly True that he said that but doesn't make it true


That in return for Russia's leaking the stolen do ents to WikiLeaks, "the TRUMP team had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and to raise US/NATO defense commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject."(Dossier, pp. 7-8)

False


That "TRUMP advisor Carter PAGE holds secret meetings in Moscow with SECHIN and senior Kremlin Internal Affairs official, DIVYEKIN," and that Igor Sechin offered Carter Page a deal for Trump of a 19% privatized stake (ca. $11 billion) in Rosneft oil company in exchange for Trump lifting the anti-Russian sanctions after his election. It is also alleged that Page confirmed, on Trump's "full authority", that this was Trump's intent.(Dossier, pp. 9, 31-32)

False


That a "leading Russian diplomat, Mikhail KULAGIN, had been withdrawn from Washington at short notice because Moscow feared his heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation… would be exposed in the media there."(Dossier, p. 23)

Possibly True

[Pavlov]

That "the Russian authorities had been cultivating and supporting US Republican presidential candidate, Donald TRUMP for at least 5 years" and that "the TRUMP operation was both supported and directed by Russian President Vladimir PUTIN." (Dossier, p. 1)

False


That Putin's "aim" with supporting Trump was "to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." "Its aim was to sow discord and disunity both within the US itself, but more especially within the Transatlantic alliance which was viewed as inimical to Russia's interests."] (Dossier, p. 1-2)

False


That a major goal of the Russians in supporting Trump was "to upset the liberal international status quo, including on Ukraine-related sanctions, which was seriously disadvantaging the country. TRUMP was viewed as divisive in disrupting the whole US political system; anti-Establishment; and a pragmatist with whom they could do business." (Dossier, p. 28-29)

False


That "[s]o far TRUMP has declined various sweetener real estate business deals offered him in Russia in order to further the Kremlin’s cultivation of him. However he and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." (Dossier, p. 1)

Possibly true


That there was a "well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between [the Trump campaign] and the Russian leadership" to defeat "Democratic presidential candidate Hillary CLINTON", and that there was a "Kremlin campaign to aid TRUMP and damage CLINTON"(Dossier, pp. 7, 13)

False


That "in terms of established operational liaison between the TRUMP team and the Kremlin, the emigre confirmed that an intelligence exchange had been running between them for at least 8 years. Within this context PUTIN's priority requirement had been for intelligence on the activities, business and otherwise, in the US of leading Russian oligarchs and their families. TRUMP and his associates duly had obtained and supplied the Kremlin with this information."(Dossier, p. 11)

Possibly true, but doubtful


That "there was a fair amount of anger and resentment within the Republican candidate's team at what was perceived by PUTIN as going beyond the objective of weakening CLINTON and bolstering TRUMP, by attempting to exploit the situation to undermine the US government and democratic system more generally."(Dossier, p. 17)

Possibly true


That "the Republican candidate's campaign manager, Paul MANAFORT" had "managed" the "well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between [the Trump campaign] and the Russian leadership", and that he used "foreign policy advisor, Carter PAGE, and others as intermediaries".(Dossier, p. 7)

Doubtful


That Trump's foreign policy adviser, Carter Page, served as an intermediary for Manafort and had "conceived and promoted" the idea of leaking the stolen DNC emails to WikiLeaks during the 2016 Democratic National Convention. (Dossier, p. 7, 17)

False


That Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, played a "key role" in the Trump–Russia relationship[3] by arranging cover-ups and "deniable cash payments", and that his role had grown following Manafort's departure from the campaign. (Dossier, pp. 18, 32, 34-35)

Possibly true


That "COHEN now was heavily engaged in a cover up and damage limitation operation in the attempt to prevent the full details of TRUMP’s relationship with Russia being exposed."(Dossier, p. 32)

Doubtful


That Page was instrumental in making a deal for Trump of a 19% stake (ca. $11 billion) in Rosneft oil company in exchange for Trump lifting the anti-Russian sanctions after his election. (Dossier, pp. 31-32)

Doubtful


That "PUTIN motivated by fear and hatred of Hillary CLINTON.... Hillary CLINTON, whom President PUTIN apparently both hated and feared." (Dossier, p. 7)

False


That "TRUMP was viewed as divisive in disrupting the whole US political system; anti-Establishment; and a pragmatist with whom they could do business. As the TRUMP support operation had gained momentum, control of it had passed from the MFA to the FSB and then into the presidential administration where it remained, a reflection of its growing significance over time. There was still a view in the Kremlin that TRUMP would continue as a (divisive) political force even if he lost the presidency and may run for and be elected to another public office."(Dossier, p. 29)

Possibly True


That kompromat exists on Trump in the form of blackmailable acts of paying bribes and engaging in "perverted sexual acts" in Russia.(Dossier, pp. 1-2, 8, 11, 27)

Laughably False


That Trump "hated" Obama so much that he hired the Presidential suite of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Moscow and had pros utes perform a "golden showers" show in front of him in order to defile the bed used by President and Mrs. Obama on a previous visit. This is alleged to have happened in 2013. The alleged incident was reportedly secretly filmed and recorded by the FSB for potential blackmail. (Dossier, p. 2)

Laughably False


That "TRUMP’s unorthodox behavior in Russia over the years had provided the authorities there with enough embarrassing material on the now Republican presidential candidate to be able to blackmail him if they so wished." (Dossier, p. 2)

Laughably False


That "Russians apparently have promised not to use 'kompromat' they hold on TRUMP as leverage, given high levels of voluntary co-operation forthcoming from his team." (Dossier, p. 11)

Laughably False


That Trump had explored the real estate sectors in St Petersburg and Moscow, "but in the end TRUMP had had to settle for the use of extensive sexual services there from local pros utes rather than business success". (Dossier, p. 8) That "TRUMP had visited St Petersburg on several occasions in the past and had been interested in doing business deals there involving real estate....[T]hat TRUMP had paid bribes there to further his interests but very discreetly and only through affiliated companies, making it very hard to prove.... [T]hat TRUMP had participated in sex parties in the city too, but that all direct witnesses to this recently had been 'silenced' i.e. bribed or coerced to disappear." (Dossier, p. 27)

Laughably False


That Trump's "team were relatively relaxed about" "the negative media publicity surrounding alleged Russian interference in the U.S. election campaign in support of Trump" "because it deflected media and the Democrats' attention away from Trump's business dealings in China and other emerging markets. Unlike in Russia, these were substantial and involved the payment of large bribes and kickbacks which, were they to become public, would be potentially very damaging to their campaign."(Dossier, p. 8)

Possibly true but irrelevant nonetheless


That Putin ordered the keeping of a secret dossier on Hillary Clinton with content dating back to the time of the Clinton presidency and comprised mainly of eavesdropped conversations, some from bugging devices and others from phone intercepts. That it did not contain "details/evidence of unorthodox or embarrassing behavior", but focused more on "things she had said which contradicted her current positions on various issues". That it had been collated by the FSB and was managed by Dmitry Peskov, Putin's press secretary. (Dossier, pp. 1, 3)

Possibly True


That Russia was responsible for the DNC email hacks and the recent appearance of the stolen DNC e-mails on WikiLeaks, and that the reason for using WikiLeaks was "plausible deniability".(Dossier, pp. 7-8)

False (see:Seth Rich)


That "the operation had been conducted with the full knowledge and support of TRUMP and senior members of his campaign team."(Dossier, p. 8)

False


That Trump's foreign policy adviser Carter Page had "conceived and promoted" the idea of "leaking the DNC e-mails to WikiLeaks during the Democratic Convention" "to swing supporters of Bernie SANDERS away from Hillary CLINTON and across to TRUMP."
(Dossier, p. 17)

False


That the hacking of the DNC servers was performed by Romanian hackers ultimately controlled by Putin and paid by both Trump and Putin. (Dossier, pp. 34-35)

False


That Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen, had a secret meeting with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016, where he arranged "deniable cash payments" to the hackers and sought "to cover up all traces of the hacking operation",[37][23] as well as "cover up ties between Trump and Russia, including Manafort's involvement in Ukraine". (Dossier, pp. 18, 34-35)

False


That former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who was pro-Russian and requested Russian military intervention in Ukraine before he fled to Russia in 2014, told Putin he had been making supposedly untraceable "kick-back payments" to Paul Manafort, who was Trump's campaign manager at the time. (Dossier, p. 20)

Possibly True that he said that but doesn't make it true


That in return for Russia's leaking the stolen do ents to WikiLeaks, "the TRUMP team had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and to raise US/NATO defense commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject."(Dossier, pp. 7-8)

False


That "TRUMP advisor Carter PAGE holds secret meetings in Moscow with SECHIN and senior Kremlin Internal Affairs official, DIVYEKIN," and that Igor Sechin offered Carter Page a deal for Trump of a 19% privatized stake (ca. $11 billion) in Rosneft oil company in exchange for Trump lifting the anti-Russian sanctions after his election. It is also alleged that Page confirmed, on Trump's "full authority", that this was Trump's intent.(Dossier, pp. 9, 31-32)

False


That a "leading Russian diplomat, Mikhail KULAGIN, had been withdrawn from Washington at short notice because Moscow feared his heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation… would be exposed in the media there."(Dossier, p. 23)

Possibly True

whose blog is this?

[Chris]

whose blog is this?

You asshole - I just went through the entire dossier.

[Pavlov]

You asshole - I just went through the entire dossier.

You went to Wikipedia.

[TSA]

Lordy!!!!!!!!

So he’d already won the Presidency, and he hadn’t yet established a back channel?

[Pavlov]

So he’d already won the Presidency, and he hadn’t yet established a back channel?

Yeah, he should've had Uday take care of that during the "adoptions" meeting. They were right there.

We'll have to hear from Prince why he lied about the meeting.

[Chris]

You went to Wikipedia.

I used it as a source, yes. The actual 35 page dossier can't be copy and pasted properly. Your predictable 4-5 word retort + emoticon was predictable. Churl.

[Pavlov]

I used it as a source, yes. The actual 35 page dossier can't be copy and pasted properly. Your predictable 4-5 word retort + emoticon was predictable. Churl.

Yeah, just this passage:

"That Page was instrumental in making a deal for Trump of a 19% stake (ca. $11 billion) in Rosneft oil company in exchange for Trump lifting the anti-Russian sanctions after his election."

Is laughably wrong on its own.

But you don't even check.

lol Lazy White Chris

[Chris]

[Pavlov]

That is your white flag.

[TSA]

Yeah, he should've had Uday take care of that during the "adoptions" meeting. They were right there.

We'll have to hear from Prince why he lied about the meeting.

Post election back channel really bolsters pre election collusion.

[Pavlov]

Post election back channel really bolsters pre election collusion.

So why lie about it?

[Chris]