2025 NBA Offseason Thread

[spursistan]

You just made up some in your head I never said. Nice one. Are you drunk already?

By the way, did I say they were going to be compelled? I'm saying his contract doesn't matter. Act like you watch the NBA.

I am not making up. I'm just pointing how lightly you're speaking of Chet as "a contract to be moved just in case" (i.e he's got Vassel pedigree). If you even contemplate trading your much-hyped second overall pick while barely into his first extension you are taking an executive L anyway (a whiff on the draft or the extension itself). Simple as that.

PS. There is no need to be mean and aggressive for a run-of-mill basketball take.

[exstatic]

Wow. I thought durability concerns might get him a slight bit less than the max. Good for him though

Dollar Tree Wemby is a type that you can’t just go get in the draft or the FA market.

Pulling for JWill to make All NBA this season to really throw a wrench in their cap/apron.

[TimDunkem]

I am not making up. I'm just pointing how lightly you're speaking of Chet as "a contract to be moved just in case" (i.e he's got Vassel pedigree). If you even contemplate trading your much-hyped second overall pick while barely into his first extension you are taking an executive L anyway (a whiff on the draft or the extension itself). Simple as that.

PS. There is no need to be mean and aggressive for a run-of-mill basketball take.

You did make up because that wasn't what I implied at all. The point is the contract is not an overpay, nor is it some sort of albatross like you're implying. There is always a solution to these kinds of deals, long-term, in the NBA.

Nothing more run of the mill than a salty Spurs fan passive-aggressively throwing shade because another team with former Spurs personnel is having success. It's alright, man. There, there...Wemby will make everything okay soon enough.

[Darkwaters]

Monte Morris looks good for a 3rd pg. 47% carrer shooter 39% for 3, 3.6/0.7 AST/to.

I'm actually wondering about Cory Joseph. He's a veteran with a lot of experience (including here in SA) and he's clearly willing to take a small role with limited playing time. Plus he shot 36.4% from 3 last season.

Not a big splash, but as your 4th PG I think he'd be fine and could provide mentorship to these young players.

[TimDunkem]

+1 for Cory Joseph. It's time to come home...

[spursistan]

You did make up because that wasn't what I implied at all. The point is the contract is not an overpay, nor is it some sort of albatross like you're implying. There is always a solution to these kinds of deals, long-term, in the NBA.

Nothing more run of the mill than a salty Spurs fan passive-aggressively throwing shade because another team with former Spurs personnel is having success. It's alright, man. There, there...Wemby will make everything okay soon enough.

I just don't get why are you so wallowing in ad-hominem negativity? ("drunk" "salty").Guess I'm out of this convo.

[TimDunkem]

I just don't get why are you so wallowing in ad-hominem negativity? ("drunk" "salty").Guess I'm out of this convo.

I should've taken a page out of your playbook and been more passive-aggressive about it. Sorry if I hurt you. Take another swig, and it'll be alright.

[baseline bum]

good to see OKC overpaying on the Chet extension. Now let's hope Jaylen Williams gets a 30% max extension and they will have to break the roster up in the future.

Is that not able to go to 30% if Holmgren makes an All NBA Team this year? If they're paying two 30s and a 35 then there is no way they can keep Dort so will probably keep Caruso instead. Hartenstein is for sure out and it seems impossible that they could keep Cason Wallace either.

[TimDunkem]

Is that not able to go to 30% if Holmgren makes an All NBA Team this year? If they're paying two 30s and a 35 then there is no way they can keep Dort so will probably keep Caruso instead. Hartenstein is for sure out and it seems impossible that they could keep Cason Wallace either.

They were never keeping that team together. In fact, a lot of teams are having trouble these days due to the apron rules. Kind of sucks, tbh, imho.

[baseline bum]

I don't feel Presti had a choice. There's no leverage if Chet's agent is demanding the max. You risk souring what you just accomplished. For anyone to take less than max money its going to take the players colluding rather than a GM being savvy. No agent is going to recommend a player take anything less.

It definitely looks like OKC is going to max 3 guys. If any team can pull it off its them. They have the draft stock to rotate decent role players in and out.

Without all those picks 3 max players is death wish.

Three maxes is doable if they're not all 35% maxes like Phoenix had. But not with contracts like Vassell's on the books (hence why I want him salary dumped so badly).

[Seventyniner]

Three maxes is doable if they're not all 35% maxes like Phoenix had. But not with contracts like Vassell's on the books (hence why I want him salary dumped so badly).

Vassell will be on the last year of his contract by the time that might matter, and dumping an expiring contract should be pretty easy. No need to dump him now, or even next summer.

[Das Texan]

Vassell will be on the last year of his contract by the time that might matter, and dumping an expiring contract should be pretty easy. No need to dump him now, or even next summer.

I mean there is also Vassell losing games for the Spurs to consider in any trade.

The sooner he is off the team the sooner the Spurs can really focus on winning.

[scott]

after he wasted 2 first round picks on the 2 guys he packaged to trade for him

Blake and Branham hit about the median expectation of guys picked #20 and #25. This is typically what you get there.

Spurs took a swing at some high upside guards, and they didn't develop. Not only is this something that happens, it's something you should pretty much expect from late FRPs

[scott]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Breaking: Oklahoma City Thunder star and NBA champion Chet Holmgren has agreed to a fully guaranteed five-year maximum rookie contract extension that could reach $250 million, agent Bill Duffy of WME Basketball told ESPN

Wow, really thought they'd get Chet for slightly less than the Max, but instead they got him for the Max that takes up as high as 27% of the cap. As a rival of OKC... love to see it. Presti's first major mistake with this iteration of the Thunder.

[Dejounte]

Blake and Branham hit about the median expectation of guys picked #20 and #25. This is typically what you get there.

Spurs took a swing at some high upside guards, and they didn't develop. Not only is this something that happens, it's something you should pretty much expect from late FRPs

Paging scottspurs who thought every 2nd round prospect was a star in the making during the pre-draft process…

messing with you breh. All in good fun

[scott]

That’s why I think it says “that could reach $250 million”. Sounds to me like maybe there’s going to be some clauses and incentives in there to cover that kind of stuff.

It looks like the 25% max is guaranteed, the "up to $250MM" might be escalator clauses built in, because 5/239 is the current Rookie 25% Max extension (and that is what is reported on Spotrac). So Chet will need to make All NBA, win MVP or DPOY this year for that to escalate up to $250MM.

But even with it only at 5/239, this deal still takes him over 25% because of the 7% salary cap increase next year, and Spotrac is only forecasting 5% increases to the cap after that.

All of a sudden, when we thought that deals with max bird raises would mean they were declining deals as a % of the cap, are actually increasing deals. This is going to cause a major shift in how teams approach things (putting this in bold because I think it's important)

[RC_Drunkford]

Dollar Tree Wemby is a type that you can’t just go get in the draft or the FA market.

Pulling for JWill to make All NBA this season to really throw a wrench in their cap/apron.

[RedAzSa]

I love the Holmgren extension for two reasons. First, it makes it that much harder for them to keep a dominant team together long term. Second, it will give the Spurs a valuable case study of maxing their three young core pieces and trying to sustain success in the apron era. Obviously there is a lot of projection and speculation involved here, but IF Castle/Harper are the players we hope they can be, the Spurs might find themselves in a similar boat in a few years. I'd expect the FO to watch OKC very closely and learn what does and what doesn't work for them over the next few years.

[Seventyniner]

I hope the Spurs are in this situation 3-4 years from now. That's what you call a high quality problem cause it would mean both Castle and Harper are good enough to command the max, but you still can't keep both + Wemby.

I wonder what kind of return Chet or J Will could get in a trade? Each are more valuable than Bane.

[scottspurs]

Paging scottspurs who thought every 2nd round prospect was a star in the making during the pre-draft process…

messing with you breh. All in good fun

If I worked for Brian Wright he would never let me be great with my 2nd round “steals” lol

[scottspurs]

It is funny though! That the Spurs have 3 roster spots open now haha

[RC_Drunkford]

the best thing to hope for is that Castle can somehow be extended for less than the max, while still improving and not getting injured. Hard to pull off, but maybe they can hide some of his production with Wemby, Fox and Harper getting touches.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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The Philadelphia 76ers are signing former Spurs and Hawks forward Dominick Barlow on a two-way NBA contract, Life Sports Agency CEO Todd Ramasar tells ESPN.

[scott]

the best thing to hope for is that Castle can somehow be extended for less than the max, while still improving and not getting injured. Hard to pull off, but maybe they can hide some of his production with Wemby, Fox and Harper getting touches.

As I've been trying to say for awhile, I think Fox gives us a bit of a natural safeguard here. It's going to be really difficult for Castle (or Harper) to earn a max extension with Fox featuring ahead of them.

[baseline bum]

Wow, really thought they'd get Chet for slightly less than the Max, but instead they got him for the Max that takes up as high as 27% of the cap. As a rival of OKC... love to see it. Presti's first major mistake with this iteration of the Thunder.

What was he gonna do? Let him walk? Knew he was always getting max.