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    After slowing down the video, there are actually some promising signs. Sochan finally isn't using his left thumb -- that's been his main issue his whole career. It's a one-handed shot now ... and his right hand isn't as ed to the side and it's over his elbow.

    Pretty big improvements at his release point ... but that hitch obviously needs ironing out.

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    You can easily add speed to shooting motion, once whole movement is set.

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    After slowing down the video, there are actually some promising signs. Sochan finally isn't using his left thumb -- that's been his main issue his whole career. It's a one-handed shot now ... and his right hand isn't as ed to the side and it's over his elbow.

    Pretty big improvements at his release point ... but that hitch obviously needs ironing out.
    I'm a huge Jeremy apologist. But that hitch scares the out of me.

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    you can't really evaluate a prospect in year 2, especially when he got played out of position for half a season. Year 3 is where you need to see a jump, so this year is crucial for Sochan, Branham and Wesley. They have to show major improvement.
    You can always evaluate. You just do not pretend that their skill level is static or only look at poor performances.

    I did not watch a whole lot of Spurs games but even I noticed his multiple double doubles and excellent individual switching defense.

    Guys who can guard 1-4 are worth a lot in the modern NBA.

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    I'm a huge Jeremy apologist. But that hitch scares the out of me.
    True, but it could be:

    Fixing the mechanics,
    Fixing the mechanics,
    Fixing the mechanics,
    Fixing the mechanics...

    Now let's put it together,
    put it together,
    put it together,
    put it together,
    put it together...


    That's my hope and I'm not that hopeful.

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    I'm also a Jeremy fan and I'm not giving up on him (unless Ainge thinks his value is a lottery FRP ), but there are a lot of improvement areas he needs to make if he's going to be a contributor on a serious playoff team.

    I don't think his shot will ever be good. He might develop it to a level where he's not treated like Ben Simmons, but I don't think anyone will ever aggressively close him down.
    What concerns me even more is his complete lack of inside game.

    Not counting dunks, he shot 52% inside the restricted area as a 6'8 forward, ffs.
    I don't even want to know his percentage on contested layups.

    There's a difference between bad shooters and bad offensive players.
    Right now Jeremy is a bad offensive player.

    I'm not holding Pop's point guard experiment against him, but his playmaking if we talk forwards is also nothing special.

    With Castle being drafted, I can't see two of them play together with their current shooting ability.
    Jeremy had his two years, Castle should be the starter this season. I think Jeremy will have a bit of a resurgence if he becomes the energy guy off the bench.

    I just don't see his value if he doesn't make big improvements. Forget the hair, the act and the tattoos, if he had basic looks, noone would rate him.
    Mamu was arguably more useful with Wemby after Jeremy got shut down.

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    That is one unnatural looking shot. Still better than kidd gilchrist. I’m a huge fan of his but I have to say quite disappointed that’s what transpires with almost three months of practice.

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    In 17h Sochan plays with Poland against Bahamas with Buddy Hield or Ayton. Poland has little offensive skill to match Bahamas, so we expect Sochan to contribute a lot on both end.

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    I dont know what spurs players do in shooting drills...but...
    why the is he shooting 3's if his shot is broken?

    All he is doing is wasting his time. If you have not smoothed out your shot and you are at the 3 pt line - it is just nonsensical.

    Shooting coach should have him near the basket as close as possible.

    Then make him jump as high as he can and at the very top of his jump the millisecond before he starts coming back down is when his shot should be released. Not a moment before.

    3 foot jump shot - a million times - over and over.

    When he learns how to shoot accurately from 3 feet jumping as high as he can before releasing the ball - then you move back to

    4ft from the basket.

    5ft
    6ft


    etc

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    I dont know what spurs players do in shooting drills...but...
    why the is he shooting 3's if his shot is broken?

    All he is doing is wasting his time. If you have not smoothed out your shot and you are at the 3 pt line - it is just nonsensical.

    Shooting coach should have him near the basket as close as possible.

    Then make him jump as high as he can and at the very top of his jump the millisecond before he starts coming back down is when his shot should be released. Not a moment before.

    3 foot jump shot - a million times - over and over.

    When he learns how to shoot accurately from 3 feet jumping as high as he can before releasing the ball - then you move back to

    4ft from the basket.

    5ft
    6ft


    etc
    It’s what every great shooter has said when learning how to shoot. But you know we have our own “expert” shooting coach who nobody knows is any good

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    I dont know what spurs players do in shooting drills...but...
    why the is he shooting 3's if his shot is broken?

    All he is doing is wasting his time. If you have not smoothed out your shot and you are at the 3 pt line - it is just nonsensical.

    Shooting coach should have him near the basket as close as possible.

    Then make him jump as high as he can and at the very top of his jump the millisecond before he starts coming back down is when his shot should be released. Not a moment before.

    3 foot jump shot - a million times - over and over.

    When he learns how to shoot accurately from 3 feet jumping as high as he can before releasing the ball - then you move back to

    4ft from the basket.

    5ft
    6ft


    etc
    I agree

    Right now he just seems to get comfortable at having a terrible motion

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    Is there a possibility this is him slowing down his shot to practice the various stages of his jump shot? I'm going to say NO but that's my only glimmer of hope. Yikes.

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    Drama queens, nothing matters except for '25 sochan

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    Is there a possibility this is him slowing down his shot to practice the various stages of his jump shot? I'm going to say NO but that's my only glimmer of hope. Yikes.
    I think it's because he's used/comfortable to have his shooting motion starting in front of his eyes rather than above his head.

    He needs to just jump and release from the right moment again and again, not worrying about making the shot or not

    What he is doing rn seems useless

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    I dont know what spurs players do in shooting drills...but...
    why the is he shooting 3's if his shot is broken?

    All he is doing is wasting his time. If you have not smoothed out your shot and you are at the 3 pt line - it is just nonsensical.

    Shooting coach should have him near the basket as close as possible.

    Then make him jump as high as he can and at the very top of his jump the millisecond before he starts coming back down is when his shot should be released. Not a moment before.

    3 foot jump shot - a million times - over and over.

    When he learns how to shoot accurately from 3 feet jumping as high as he can before releasing the ball - then you move back to

    4ft from the basket.

    5ft
    6ft


    etc
    It’s what every great shooter has said when learning how to shoot. But you know we have our own “expert” shooting coach who nobody knows is any good
    I agree

    Right now he just seems to get comfortable at having a terrible motion
    Agreed. I’m highly confident these three second clips fully represents their entire workout routine.

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    I'm a huge Jeremy apologist. But that hitch scares the out of me.
    I’m no shooting coach but it looks deliberate. There’s an old drill where you break your jumper in half. Base motion then release. You build on that foundation then bind it to the release.

    Early parts of that drill are a slow deliberate set then pair that to your release. It’s hitch like until you get your core dialed in. Then you slowly smooth that out as the two parts come together.

    I’m not the expert but I’ve seen something similar before. Who knows.

    Even 2k breaks down jumpers in that regard if you edit players.

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    I dont know what spurs players do in shooting drills...but...
    why the is he shooting 3's if his shot is broken?

    All he is doing is wasting his time. If you have not smoothed out your shot and you are at the 3 pt line - it is just nonsensical.

    Shooting coach should have him near the basket as close as possible.

    Then make him jump as high as he can and at the very top of his jump the millisecond before he starts coming back down is when his shot should be released. Not a moment before.

    3 foot jump shot - a million times - over and over.

    When he learns how to shoot accurately from 3 feet jumping as high as he can before releasing the ball - then you move back to

    4ft from the basket.

    5ft
    6ft


    etc
    Disagree on the jump part but agree on the whole. He should just do squat and rise and release without hesitation or hitch. Then once mastered at each level move back until youre able to do so without hitching at the 3pt line fully around the arc

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    Sochan is awkward

    How can he be playing basketball for 10 years and go to shooting the ball one handed as an upgrade?

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    I dont know what spurs players do in shooting drills...but...
    why the is he shooting 3's if his shot is broken?

    All he is doing is wasting his time. If you have not smoothed out your shot and you are at the 3 pt line - it is just nonsensical.

    Shooting coach should have him near the basket as close as possible.

    Then make him jump as high as he can and at the very top of his jump the millisecond before he starts coming back down is when his shot should be released. Not a moment before.

    3 foot jump shot - a million times - over and over.

    When he learns how to shoot accurately from 3 feet jumping as high as he can before releasing the ball - then you move back to

    4ft from the basket.

    5ft
    6ft


    etc
    Disagree on the jump part but agree on the whole. He should just do squat and rise and release without hesitation or hitch. Then once mastered at each level move back until youre able to do so without hitching at the 3pt line fully around the arc
    .........lamarcus aldrige helped a texas player last season who was a worse 3 point shooter than sochan improve his 3 point shooting significantly in one offseason by using the jumping method technique spurs homer mentioned...........

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    Agreed. I’m highly confident these three second clips fully represents their entire workout routine.
    I’m highly confident that his form is wrong and his jumper is ugly af. Idc if that’s not the whole practice. This shot should’ve been fixed at the 4 feet mark and by the time he got to the 3 point line it should be way better than it is

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    I’m highly confident that his form is wrong and his jumper is ugly af. Idc if that’s not the whole practice. This shot should’ve been fixed at the 4 feet mark and by the time he got to the 3 point line it should be way better than it is
    And we all know he isn’t doing it because the clips don’t show it.

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    I’m highly confident that his form is wrong and his jumper is ugly af. Idc if that’s not the whole practice. This shot should’ve been fixed at the 4 feet mark and by the time he got to the 3 point line it should be way better than it is
    He is obviously working on the gather to go into his shooting motion.

    In the video, each one of his catches is the same but his elbow and arm movement is different to get to the same arm angle and elbow placement to then shoot the ball.

    The next step is finding the gather that works best for him and rep the out of the gather and shoot.

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