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    Well, if the debate just consisted of personal insults Trump would win. I can't say I've ever heard him give a substantive policy answer to any question ever though.

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    Things will change once Trump puts her in his crosshairs.
    That's the point. She's the one going after him, not the other way.

    She just made a little comment that counts for little but at least she's firing first.

    This is not like a Jeb or Rubio thing where they wait 7 months too late to stand up.

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    Well, if the debate just consisted of personal insults Trump would win. I can't say I've ever heard him give a substantive policy answer to any question ever though.
    what about the wall

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    what about the wall
    "it just got 10 feet higher" is very substantive.

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    "it just got 10 feet higher" is very substantive.
    i wasn't being serious

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    what about the wall
    Key word: "substantive."

    lol

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    Like any politician ever gives a real substantive answer.....more like a rehearsed 3 to 4 sentence answer that sounds intelligent but says absolutely nothing....and like they ever enact any of their "substantive" campaign promises once elected.

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    Like any politician ever gives a real substantive answer.....more like a rehearsed 3 to 4 sentence answer that sounds intelligent but says absolutely nothing....and like they ever enact any of their "substantive" campaign promises once elected.
    I've heard plenty of substantive answers from politicians -- not usually in "debates" but in interviews and the like.

    Not from Trump.

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    Hillary would eat Rubio's lunch in a debate... and drink his water.
    This.

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    Man retweets a quote and the media goes crazy

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    Cruz saying Trump wont release his tax returns because he paid the mob. What a clownshow

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    Man retweets a quote and the media goes crazy
    It's ridiculous... Of course Trump knew who said the quote. The dude's twitter handle was "Il Duce" for Christ's sake. Trump just retweeted because it was an interesting quote. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    It's ridiculous... Of course Trump knew who said the quote. The dude's twitter handle was "Il Duce" for Christ's sake. Trump just retweeted because it was an interesting quote. Nothing more, nothing less.
    It is a pretty good quote, tbh. Hitler had some good ones too

    All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
    - Adolf Hitler

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    i get why people don't like trump, but where do they get the whole "he's an authoritarian" thing from?

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    i get why people don't like trump, but where do they get the whole "he's an authoritarian" thing from?
    It's not necessarily he is the authoritarian, it's that his voters are. This is from January:

    If I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated?

    You’d be wrong.


    In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.


    That’s right, Trump’s electoral strength—and his staying power—have been buoyed, above all, by Americans with authoritarian inclinations. And because of the prevalence of authoritarians in the American electorate, among Democrats as well as Republicans, it’s very possible that Trump’s fan base will continue to grow.


    My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the au es of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter.


    Authoritarianism is not a new, untested concept in the American electorate. Since the rise of Nazi Germany, it has been one of the most widely studied ideas in social science. While its causes are still debated, the political behavior of authoritarians is not. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.


    Not all authoritarians are Republicans by any means; in national surveys since 1992, many authoritarians have also self-identified as independents and Democrats. And in the 2008 Democratic primary, the political scientist Marc Hetherington found that authoritarianism mattered more than income, ideology, gender, age and education in predicting whether voters preferred Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. But Hetherington has also found, based on 14 years of polling, that authoritarians have steadily moved from the Democratic to the Republican Party over time. He hypothesizes that the trend began decades ago, as Democrats embraced civil rights, gay rights, employment protections and other political positions valuing freedom and equality. In my poll results, authoritarianism was not a statistically significant factor in the Democratic primary race, at least not so far, but it does appear to be playing an important role on the Republican side. Indeed, 49 percent of likely Republican primary voters I surveyed score in the top quarter of the authoritarian scale—more than twice as many as Democratic voters.


    Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.


    Based on these questions, Trump was the only candidate—Republican or Democrat—whose support among authoritarians was statistically significant.


    So what does this mean for the election? It doesn’t just help us understand what motivates Trump’s backers—it suggests that his support isn’t capped. In a statistical analysis of the polling results, I found that Trump has already captured 43 percent of Republican primary voters who are strong authoritarians, and 37 percent of Republican authoritarians overall. A majority of Republican authoritarians in my poll also strongly supported Trump’s proposals to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, prohibit Muslims from entering the United States, shutter mosques and establish a nationwide database that track Muslims.


    And in a general election, Trump’s strongman rhetoric will surely appeal to some of the 39 percent of independents in my poll who identify as authoritarians and the 17 percent of self-identified Democrats who are strong authoritarians.


    What’s more, the number of Americans worried about the threat of terrorism is growing. In 2011, Hetherington published research finding that non-authoritarians respond to the perception of threat by behaving more like authoritarians. More fear and more threats—of the kind we’ve seen recently in the San Bernardino and Paris terrorist attacks—mean more voters are susceptible to Trump’s message about protecting Americans. In my survey, 52 percent of those voters expressing the most fear that another terrorist attack will occur in the United States in the next 12 months were non-authoritarians—ripe targets for Trump’s message.


    Take activated authoritarians from across the partisan spectrum and the growing cadre of threatened non-authoritarians, then add them to the base of Republican general election voters, and the potential electoral path to a Trump presidency becomes clearer.


    So, those who say a Trump presidency “can’t happen here” should check their conventional wisdom at the door. The candidate has confounded conventional expectations this primary season because those expectations are based on an oversimplified caricature of the electorate in general and his supporters in particular. Conditions are ripe for an authoritarian leader to emerge. Trump is seizing the opportunity. And the ins utions—from the Republican Party to the press—that are supposed to guard against what James Madison called “the infection of violent passions” among the people have either been cowed by Trump’s bluster or are asleep on the job.


    It is time for those who would appeal to our better angels to take his insurgency seriously and stop dismissing his supporters as a small band of the dispossessed. Trump support is firmly rooted in American authoritarianism and, once awakened, it is a force to be reckoned with. That means it’s also time for political pollsters to take authoritarianism seriously and begin measuring it in their polls.

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    i get why people don't like trump, but where do they get the whole "he's an authoritarian" thing from?
    The media has been using that term a lot and it stuck with the anti-trump crowd. Funny that the smear campaign against Trump is just sticking with the guys who aren't voting for him in the first place

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    It's not necessarily he is the authoritarian, it's that his voters are. This is from January:
    ok. so when people call trump himself authoritarian, they're reaching. got it.

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    ok. so when people call trump himself authoritarian, they're reaching. got it.
    That's my take. His rhetoric plays to what they want to hear. Deport 11 million people without due process. Make torture a formally declared policy of our government. Physical violence against protesters at his rallies. Get rid of this amendment (1st), maximize that one (2nd).

    "You're fired" doesn't work when you only control 1/3 branches of government, yet makes up the core of his "pitch" to voters.

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    That's my take. His rhetoric plays to what they want to hear. Deport 11 million people without due process. Make torture a formally declared policy of our government. Physical violence against protesters at his rallies. Get rid of this amendment (1st), maximize that one (2nd).

    "You're fired" doesn't work when you only control 1/3 branches of government, yet makes up the core of his "pitch" to voters.
    exactly, no matter what happens, he's only going to be controlling 1/3 branches of government. authoritarianism/tyranny is usually when one guy calls all the shots, silences dissenters, etc. kicking people out of rallys is nothing special, shillary did that do the blm peeps too

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    The politicians on both sides are corrupt - controlled by donors. They are not doing what is right for America but for their donors and themselves. Trump is not controlled by anyone - that's why he's being ridiculed/blasted by the establishment on both sides. Call him whatever you want, but at least he's no one's puppet.

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    exactly, no matter what happens, he's only going to be controlling 1/3 branches of government. authoritarianism/tyranny is usually when one guy calls all the shots, silences dissenters, etc. kicking people out of rallys is nothing special, shillary did that do the blm peeps too
    I don't think I've heard any other candidate long for a protester to be "carried out on a stretcher" or "punched in the face".

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    How We Fooled Donald Trump Into Retweeting Benito Mussolini

    Alex Pareene, Today 11:03am

    Is Donald Trump a fascist? Experts, historians, and pundits have debated the question for months. One thing has been certain for a while now: He tweets like one. That’s why, last year, Gawker’s Ashley Feinberg created a Twitter bot that would post quotes from the writings and speeches of the Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, but with all of them attributed to businessman and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. This morning, he retweeted that account.



    Twitter is Trump’s preferred social media platform for direct communication with his followers, haters, and—most importantly—the journalists who obsessively cover his carnival-like presidential campaign. It’s where Trump goes to personally insult his enemies and opponents, but it’s also where he seeks evidence of his greatness, and regularly retweets (in his idiosyncratic style, quoting entire tweets rather than using the network’s built-in retweet tool) praise for himself.


    Gawker internal chat log, November 30, 2015.

    Last year, we set a trap for Trump. We came up with the idea for that Mussolini bot under the assumption that Trump would retweet just about anything, no matter how dubious or vile the source, as long as it sounded like praise for himself. (It helps that that a number of Mussolini’s quotes sound plausibly like lines from Trump’s myriad books.) The account, @ilduce2016, was created by Gawker senior writer Ashley Feinberg and Gawker Media Editorial Labs director Adam Pash. It has tweeted solely at Donald Trump, multiple times a day, since December 2015.

    Our Fascist bot was anything but subtle. It was, after all, directly named after Mussolini. The New York Times today swiftly recognized that it was a parody account. At the time of the account’s creation, Gawker Media Executive Editor John Cook expressed some concern that the joke behind the account was far too obvious, and wouldn’t trick anyone but a complete idiot.

    Today, Donald Trump proved him—and all of us—right.

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    I don't think I've heard any other candidate long for a protester to be "carried out on a stretcher" or "punched in the face".
    And see his polls rise while doing it

    It's like living in ing cartoon world.

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