It would be helpful if you actually knew what happened. People exchanging guns happens every day. Miller broke no laws and know prior knowledge of what the gun would be used for. He also didn't load it.
Your issue should really be with gun culture and the people who have normalized the glamorization and lack of responsibility around gun ownership. Its a systemic problem not a Miller problem.
Again your issue is with gun culture. He didn't facilitate a murder from a premeditated standpoint. Ignorance perhaps but it wasn't knowingly. They have the entire chain of texts.
I'll also point out that neckbearded maga s exchange guns in this fashion daily without a shred of concerns. Just because its a young black man shouldn't change things.
I agree with you as far as gun culture. But even if he got away on a technicality with gun culture rules, so to speak, it still is really stupid at the least, and if anything beyond legality, suggests some stupid behavior that could cause further problems down the road. But who knows? He’s young. Gun culture is pervasive. Gun culture in white and black communities is obviously looked at differently though it shouldn’t be. I think there are two contradictory issues going on, and it’s hard to completely take a single view, at least for me.
You and I sound predominantly in agreement. I think he made a bad choice and certainly a choice you and I wouldn’t make.
My issue is that if we’re going to accept society normalizing gun culture and promote gun ownership in a way that’s viewed the same as a stick of gum then we can’t call into question his choice because we’re literally allowing our government to indoctrinate the belief that guns aren’t special. Anyone can have one, trade like baseball cards and it’s no different than a ham sandwich.
We live in a world that says it’s okay to pass a gun around with no accountability. So I’m not shocked he did it.
That shouldn’t equate to being an accomplice to murder.
If we had laws restricting peoples ability to freely share weapons then he might of acted differently.
But gun nutters aren’t into preventing gun crimes. They’re interested in fighting them with their own arsenal.
You're making this situation fit the political narrative you're trying to push. He got a call at 3AM to bring his gun. The old rule of "nothing good happens after 2AM" applies in this case. Miller can claim ignorance, but we all know he wasn't.
Furthermore, more laws would not have fixed this. It's not "gun culture" that is to blame. It's gang culture. It's thug culture. Because the majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens that never get anybody hurt or killed. Meanwhile, gang violence accounts for the majority of gun violence. In fact, if you removed the gang-related shootings from just four US cities (Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Los Angeles) then the US would rank about 200th in the world in gun violence. So to blame law-abiding gun owners and peddle this weird theory that they're exchanging guns all the time (something unsupported by the evidence) is very strange.
Regardless, I'm not wanting to get any deeper into the political elements of this except to point out the obvious agenda you're trying to wedge in here. And I won't be responding further on that front (at least not in the basketball forum area).
It could have just as easily been any type of weapon that resulted in the death of that young lady. The point is that Brandon Miller is s and yet we're supposed to celebrate him. It's gross.
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It’s not a crime to hand someone a gun at 3am. Gun culture has ensured that. I don’t care what your political affiliation is.
Where do you think these gangs you’re talking about get guns? Trafficking in “illegal guns” isn’t the primary source of guns used in criminal offenses. It’s guns off our own streets that were at one point a legal firearm. Mass produced and promoted for ownership by gun advocates.
The same gun advocates that push to roll back firearm policies and legalize handing a gun to a friend at 3am. Personally I think it should be illegal to hand over your firearm to anyone outside of a range. There should be an extremely high level of accountability with gun ownership. But again, it’s not gangs lobbying for less gun laws. It’s gun advocates who funnel money to greedy politicians.
But let me also point out that your leap to criminalize Miller is another inherently racist problem that disproportionately affects minorities. Because even if he thought the gun could be used then all he has to say is that he provided the gun to this friend for self defense purposes. To stand his ground. Which guess what? Is the very thing these gun nutters love to say to justify the culture. Miller also had no idea that the gun was going to be handed off to a third party.
No one would dare question some white dumb who brings a gun to his buddy Cooper for self defense. But a young black man… well, he had to of know that there would be a crime. Right? Give me a ing break.
Two bull standards when it comes to guns. Your entire take is just as bad as the ed up culture itself.
Yeah we all know criminals are going to abide by all the new gun laws your going to make....
great argument against laws in generalYeah we all know criminals are going to abide by all the new gun laws your going to make....
I thought you maga dumb s were of the belief that “if it saves just 1 life”.Yeah we all know criminals are going to abide by all the new gun laws your going to make....
Guess not.
4 games eh,
Weird that they suspended him a year later for only four games. He must be on the cusp of signing with a new team
I agree, if he’s suspended that definitely means he’s planning to play in the NBA again.
Time served since he didn't play at all last season? With everything that happened it definitely felt like it would be a longer suspension.
primo didnt do anything wrong.......if therapist didnt want clients laying down during session they should remove couches from their offices.......primo can not control that the length of his penis is longer than his boxers while laying down........primo cant control his bbc hanging out of the bottom of his boxers.........
Curious which team would sign him....
I have no problem giving him another chance. Obviously the PATFO had reasons to draft him high against every pundits out there.
I guess we may finally get a firm answer on whether the spurs are tanking.
if he’s brought back we absolutely are
Not worth tarnishing our image. Not worth it at all.
It's about the image and we are not going down that road for whatever basketball reasons you can muster.
This reeks more and more like the therapist was holding the organization hostage. The termination was likely one of her demands. If the league finds nothing more than a 4 game suspension and the team couldn't look to match or extend that with their own suspension then clearly they were pandering to something/someone else. 4 games isn't .
Somebody’s signing him and I hate to see the Spurs top pick go to another team, without fully seeing how he’d develop his game.
Wait, the gun belonged to Brandon Miller?
Free lil Joshy.
Exactly. I wasn't hot on how we were using him but I was never of the belief that they looked at him as our future PG. Especially now with Wemby we definitely have a different landscape. But having Primo run PG wasn't a bad thing because at least he'd learn some backcourt tendencies that he didn't really have. Ball protection, setting up an offensive etc.
But the Spurs held him out as a player with significant potential. You don't terminate a guy over something that essentially ends up being a 4 game suspension. Maybe trade him for a ty second at the least.
The leagues stance all this time later tells me the organization was being held to the fire. It wasn't just optics.
duplicate.
Can we not upgrade this forum already
No, it doesn’t. Your mind is wandering, because of the way you are.
The NBA announcement is a formality, to close the book. It merely means the NBA is done with the subject.
The long delay is because it had no priority, after Primo was waived, and unclaimed, and out of the NBA. Of course there was no urgency to investigate an insignificant player who wasn’t even in the NBA anymore. The paperwork got pushed to the bottom of the stack.
This offseason, somebody was going through old paperwork, found the Primo thing, and closed it. That’s all you’re seeing.
And that’s all there is to see.
Oh, why 4 games? Probably just because that’s the number of games Primo played in, in ‘22-23. The person dealing with the old paperwork saw that, and simply used that number, because it didn’t matter. Is probably what happened.
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