Exactly!!! I'd rather Forbes start at pg than Murray! If Kawhi, LMA, or Gay is doubled you can depend on him making his shots.
Murray has elite length and athleticism for his position..but that's pretty much all he has going for him RIGHT NOW. He can't shoot when teams go under screens..lacks strength to absorb contact and finish consistently at the rim..and has a pretty bad Assit/TO ratio lol..
He's gotta figure a way to impact games...
Forbes could always shoot but now he's a tenacious dog out there. Completely different than his past "designated sniper" role.
Regardless of what you think his ceiling is, you have to acknowledge he's a different player in this summer league.
We know that he can rebound well... you know... kind of like a Dennis Rodman player. Lots of athleticism but no skills.
If Murray had just a fraction of the skills of Forbes, he'll be devastating!
Plays like Patty Mills, but with a major difference, can get to the paint and score (or get fouled).
It's crazy what "confidence" can do for a player
That's really what I am thinking. POP definitely has wanted to see how much he's progressed. They were starting Mills for his shooting pretty much and nothing else. Forbes has to be at least a candidate. I don't see Murray at anything over 15-20 minutes a game. He's got to make a name on defense bc right now he's the most limited offensively between the guards.
Yes, just like Dennis Rodman, defensive specialist that can rebound. I think that will match his current skill set.
Spurs have plenty of passers and plenty of shooters.
It's possible for Murray to clean up the turnovers and improve his passing. His woeful shooting is VERY worrisome though. He may well be one of those Rubio types on offense that can never shoot for a ddcent percentage, so far things are pointing that way.
Didn't realize Forbes had that many turnovers. I would have to rewatch and see in what context he made those turnovers. The point is this kid was put on the team cause he can flat out shoot the ball and that's what he's doing. He ain't scared of the moment. He isn't a Jack McClinton out there. Like another poster said he's not Steph Curry but more of the Gary Neal type which is fine there is a place for those type of players on an NBA roster.
On the other hand you got Murray who is looked at as being a distributor and is suppose to have handles, but he get's his pocket picked constantly. I really think it's a mental thing which is what makes it more frustrating to watch.
Either way i'm not even trying to compare the two. I'm just giving credit where credit is due from what I see out there. I want Murray to flourish and reach his potential as well. But so far he still has the same problems he had from the beginning. Murray's going to get his minutes I just wish he would show more improvement on certain aspects of his game. So far he hasn't show that...
Murray dribbles to high an wild! Forbes has energy, running off screens, passing, an handles. I love this kid, an I hope they don't trade him.
To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day
Hardly spoke to folks around him, didn't have too much to say,
No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip
The stranger there among them had a big iron on his hip,
Big iron on his hip
But what about the sense to realize that players can IMPROVE?
duncan2k5 is clearly Texas Red tbh.
I agree whole heartedly! He needs to work to be a lockdown defender at his position..... He possesses tools that will make him a nightmare for other point guards. If he truly wants to emulate Kawhi, defense should be his calling card initially.
In a half
I'm a fan. This kid should be given real minutes to see his progression with the team this year.
So we got our American Ferrari? Or at least our high-reeving 2015-18 Flat-Plane Ford GT350?
One thing for sure, aside from his game it's clearly Forbes has been working on his body. He looks bigger.
We've been talking about everybody, but him and he's been the one who's looked like he's worked on every part of his game and himself more than those we talk about.
Damn fine work, I say. I respect that kind of work. I now want Forbes to go work out with Kawhi along with Dejounte.
That kid has some good stuff going on. I still wish he was a couple inches taller though... And had better defensive instincts, but whatcha gonna do?
Not every person out there is a Kawhi. That's why he's been #2 on the MVP list the last 2 years. Damn Spurs... you sho' be's lucky.
He went from being a scub last year to maybe a decent backup player which kudos to him he worked his ass off. He kind is a better shooter then White but he is shorter and worse defender. It is easy though to see that the Spurs like him and gave him a chance in the D League to play PG to see if he could be a decent backup which as right now I would put White and Forbes above Murray.
I think with Murray people and him thought the process would be easier and faster which it hasn't. He reminds me a lot of CoJo but I think the should move him to SG and just work on his 3 ball and play good defense. I think once he gets those two the game will be so much easier and he can start becoming the player he should be.
On the one hand, he's played too well and has too clearly defined a role to be cut. On the other hand, they need another big and short of Ginobili or Simmons not returning, don't have a spot. Also, re-signing Mills and to a lesser extent drafting White more than likely blocks his path to ever becoming a rotation player . . . all the more reason why doing both of those things was unnecessary.
Honestly, Murray is the wild horse with the great genetics and everything you'd want in a "lump of clay" to win the Triple Crown, but he needs to be broken before he becomes productive.
He's so young, it's going to take a bit and this Summer League debacle may just be the thing that starts the Breaking of Dejounte into a real NBA player.
He thinks he's on the cusp of being a generational player, but he needs to see he's not that guy right now and if he wants to stick, he needs to refine what he has and improve what he's at.
He still is a thoroughbred, and he has things that... make you just go "damn", but it's the other 80% of the game that he's not grasping.
We'll see what happens, and I have hope, but he's not the guy right now that you'd trust to lead to a 'ship. Not this year. Unless he makes a quantum leap, during the RS...
I agree Murray should play a lot of SG. Make him shoot all year long like he's Bradley Beal.
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