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    Trump is an existential threat to our democracy, and not supporting Biden has a very real possibility of four more years of a full on fascist wanna be dictator & may very well mean the end of even lip service democracy in the US.

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    Statement, not an argument.

    There is a reasonable case against Trump, obviously, but existential threat/dictator hysteria, is exactly that, hysteria, and not a serious position.
    But for the sake of argument, if Trump is such a historical threat to our democracy, why do the poll numbers not reflect a much bigger lead for Biden?
    If this is such a dangerous moment, why is the Democrats response a "no change" candidate, a candidate who has failed to win voters in previous elections, a candidate who is possibly the most conservative Democratic candidate ever?

    Trump is the legacy of Democrats such as Obama/Biden. Trump was elected because he offered an alternative (spurious as it was) to voters disenfranchised from what was essentially 4 terms of the Bush administration's forever wars, austerity and widening inequality.

    Democrats are incapable of reckoning with why Trump won. Their response has been Russigate, iden y politics, voter shaming, and Orange Man Bad. Their best punch against Trump is a redux of the Obama years.

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    Op is either a Russian troll or a quixotic Liberal. Petty ridiculous take tbh.
    This is the truest post of the thread. But he’s not a liberal. He’s a more articulate hater

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    Statement, not an argument.

    There is a reasonable case against Trump, obviously, but existential threat/dictator hysteria, is exactly that, hysteria, and not a serious position.
    But for the sake of argument, if Trump is such a historical threat to our democracy, why do the poll numbers not reflect a much bigger lead for Biden?
    If this is such a dangerous moment, why is the Democrats response a "no change" candidate, a candidate who has failed to win voters in previous elections, a candidate who is possibly the most conservative Democratic candidate ever?

    Trump is the legacy of Democrats such as Obama/Biden. Trump was elected because he offered an alternative (spurious as it was) to voters disenfranchised from what was essentially 4 terms of the Bush administration's forever wars, austerity and widening inequality.

    Democrats are incapable of reckoning with why Trump won. Their response has been Russigate, iden y politics, voter shaming, and Orange Man Bad. Their best punch against Trump is a redux of the Obama years.
    I can make a case for an existential threat. Hand-waving it away as "hysteria" is itself flawed reasoning. i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule

    Appeal to ridicule (also called appeal to mockery, ab absurdo, or the horse laugh[1]) is an informal fallacy which presents an opponent's argument as absurd, ridiculous, or humourous, and therefore not worthy of serious consideration.
    Moving on from that fallacy, you move on to yet another.

    for the sake of argument, if Trump is such a historical threat to our democracy, why do the poll numbers not reflect a much bigger lead for Biden?

    The number of brainwashed cultists that believe something is true (Trump is the only hope to save the country) doesn't mean it is true.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

    In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people"[1]) is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many or most people believe it, often concisely encapsulated as: "If many believe so, it is so"
    You have indeed given me arguments. You have not given any sound ones.

    Is that what you want?

    Trump erodes the norms, and seeks to consolidate power in unprecedented ways, demanding loyalty TO HIM over the cons ution. Be more than happy to flesh that out in great detail.

    Trump isn't really the legacy of anything other than the success of the right-wing media machine in brainwashing morons who can't think for themselves, and the lingering cancer of the Southern Strategy.

    Democrats do get to take some of the blame for being waaay to centrist.

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    bernie or busters in 2016: we need to let trump win to pull the DNC left

    bernie or busters in 2020: we need to let trump win to pull the DNC left

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    bernie or busters in 2016: we need to let trump win to pull the DNC left

    bernie or busters in 2020: we need to let trump win to pull the DNC left
    Bernie bent the knee. His supporters didn't. Come to terms.

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    bernie or busters in 2016: we need to let trump win to pull the DNC left

    bernie or busters in 2020: we need to let trump win to pull the DNC left
    The same could be used in the other direction:

    DNC establishment supporters in 2016: we need to beat Trump by winning the center and ignoring our base

    DNC establishment supporters in 2020: we need to beat Trump by winning the center and ignoring our base

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    The same could be used in the other direction:

    DNC establishment supporters in 2016: we need to beat Trump by winning the center and ignoring our base

    DNC establishment supporters in 2020: we need to beat Trump by winning the center and ignoring our base
    its general election time. options are biden and trump

    doing a poopy sit-down protest because your primary choice didnt win didnt work last time (not saying you personally, but to people that withheld their vote)

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    its general election time. options are biden and trump

    doing a poopy sit-down protest because your primary choice didnt win didnt work last time (not saying you personally, but to people that withheld their vote)
    Agreed, just saying they’re not the only the group that betting on doing the same thing over again and hoping for a different result.

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    Agreed, just saying they’re not the only the group that betting on doing the same thing over again and hoping for a different result.
    dont disagree. you know how i felt during the primaries. it just stuns me that people go through mental gymnastics to convince themselves that biden and trump are literally the same thing just because neither one is a socialist

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    Progressives should be throwing all of their support towards Yang in 2024 imo. Even conservative incels like Yang.

    Biden should pledge to give Yang a cabinet position before the election since he’s probably going to anyway.

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    Progressives should be throwing all of their support towards Yang in 2024 imo. Even conservative incels like Yang.

    Biden should pledge to give Yang a cabinet position before the election since he’s probably going to anyway.
    They only like him because he’s a non threat and seems bipartisan now. The minute he gets the nomination and he has to go against the Republican agenda, he’ll get on non stop by the same people who say like him.

    He’ll lose the conservatives you’re talking about on the issue of abortion alone.

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    So This thread aged as well as expected.

    Trump not an existential threat but Biden somehow is

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    "biden is literally the same exact thing"


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    bernie or busters in 2016: we need to let trump win to pull the DNC left

    bernie or busters in 2020: we need to let trump win to pull the DNC left
    Hillarystans in 2016: vote for her or well blame the loss.on you

    Hillarustans in 2020: vote for joe or well blame the loss on you

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    yeah a trump and biden administration would just be the same thing anyway because they're both capitalists lolz

    the only thing bernie or bust types are good at is losing while holding their chins up believing they've acted nobly

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    yeah a trump and biden administration would just be the same thing anyway because they're both capitalists lolz

    the only thing bernie or bust types are good at is losing while holding their chins up believing they've acted nobly
    Honestly I think RBG's death is going to make a lot of Bernie or Busters realize jesus wtf was I thinking.

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    Honestly I think RBG's death is going to make a lot of Bernie or Busters realize jesus wtf was I thinking.
    lets see what IronMexican has to say, or what chapotraphouse, etc, are saying

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    lets see what IronMexican has to say, or what chapotraphouse, etc, are saying
    Biden is running to the left of where Obama ran in 2008 in terms of specific ideas. Public option, higher cap gains tax, climate change reform that involves trillions of dollars in spending, etc. Not to mention he's showed a willingness to support nixing the filibuster. The BernieBros who still hate him are simply irrational.

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    Biden is running to the left of where Obama ran in 2008 in terms of specific ideas. Public option, higher cap gains tax, climate change reform that involves trillions of dollars in spending, etc. Not to mention he's showed a willingness to support nixing the filibuster. The BernieBros who still hate him are simply irrational.
    but hes still a capitalist so literally trump

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    Honestly I think RBG's death is going to make a lot of Bernie or Busters realize jesus wtf was I thinking.
    It has AOC fully on board now.

    Watched her stream a few hours ago. Time for the gotry to stop and unite in this one thing. We're all about to fall off the cliff soon.

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    It has AOC fully on board now.

    Watched her stream a few hours ago. Time for the gotry to stop and unite in this one thing. We're all about to fall off the cliff soon.
    Eunuch taking stock in Pelosi's puppet.

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    Eunuch taking stock in Pelosi's puppet.
    Pelosi and AOC aren't fans of one another, derp

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