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    Queen to the best defensive franchise in sports is a DAMN good pick. He's basically a better Anthony Barr or Onwuasor that they just lost in free agency.

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    but then again spurraider21 ...... the Cowboys picked a running back at 4th overall when they could have had Ramsey, so neither one of our organizations are perfect.

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    dolphins have the top 2 paid corners in the CB and drafted another one.

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    Noah Igbinoghene is a terrible pick there. Not just an overdraft, but also.... a slot corner in the 1st round? Because you already have 2 top 15 corners signed to 5+ year deals with tons of cap hit money. Don't understand it

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    dolphins have the top 2 paid corners in the CB and drafted another one.
    damn, you stole my post

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    I guess Flores is trying to rebuild the Gilmore-Malcolm Butler-Mccourty-Mccourty patriots? I guess

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    Short defensive athlete with average cover skills?

    That is not a 1st Round pick

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    Fulton the 3rd best corner is still on the board, the rest of these guys drafted after henderson are mid to late 2nd round talent imo

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    Short defensive athlete with average cover skills?

    That is not a 1st Round pick
    none of these guys are. It's an offense stacked draft and teams are still overdrafting by drafting defense out of need.

    McKinney is still on the board and I thought he was arguably blue chip, no doubt the best safety in the 2020 draft. Minkah fitzpatrick clone. But oh well

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    No RBs or Safeties in the entire 1st round. Just bizarre, but telling as per what modern NFL teams value. Still, bizarre. Likely never happened before

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    okay so there is 1 running back after all. But that little scat back guy? He won't survive as a primary running back by any sorts. That's the sort of guy that usually lasts to the 3rd or 4th round. Luxury pick, super overdraft. Darren Sproles.

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    doubt I will ever forgive Goodell for 2014 and 2017, but he was solid tonight. Solid A- performance from Goodell. If only he didn't bumble and fumble his words, like one Joe Biden.

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    spurraider21's Official 2020 Mock Draft:

    (link to my 2019 mock draft: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...=1#post9778114)

    I won't be projecting any trades. The main shock here is that I don't see a natural spot for Isaiah Simmons here, except possibly the Giants or Panthers. I don't think it's a sure thing he goes as high as people think because of positional need. Assuming he does go top 10, though, that changes the Raiders first pick to a WR. Without further ado:

    1 - Cincinnati Bengals - Joe Burrow, QB. No explanation needed. He checks every box imaginable except that he doesn't have a cannon like Stafford, but very few do.

    2 - Washington Redskins - Chase Young, DE. Assuming they stay put at #2, he's easily the best player on the board, and the Skins won't be going QB only a year after taking Haskins. He is in the Myles Garrett tier of DE prospects. Once every few years kind of guy. This is not a deep edge class, but he is better than anybody who came out last year.

    3 - Detroit Lions - Jeffrey Okudah, CB. It's not a position that ordinarily goes this high, but he is a pretty complete prospect. The Lions don't have any need for one of the big name OT's, and they really need a CB to replace Slay. I think Simmons is tempting for Patricia here, but Okudah fills a huge need.

    4 - New York Giants - Andrew Thomas, OT. Honestly, I think the top 4 OT's are graded pretty similarly, and it's hard to peg what order they'll go in. Thomas is not the most athletic of the group. He and Wirfs are the best technicians, but Thomas gets the nod because he has played on the left side more. I think Simmons is the BPA, but the Giants are investing in Daniel Jones and he needs help in the worst way.

    5 - Miami Dolphins - Tua Tagovailoa, QB. They really wanted Rosen to emerge, but ended up having to go back to Fitzmagic. It was worth giving up a 2 for Rosen, but he's not worth passing up on the position here. His durability concerns me more than his arm strength, but he has great ball placement and solid mobility, but he's not some scrambling dynamo like Russell Wilson. He's more reminiscent to Drew Brees than anybody when factoring height/accuracy/mobility, but I have concerns because he played with a ridiculously elite supporting cast and his first read got open nearly every time.

    6 - LA Chargers - Justin Herbert, QB. I really hope this happens. The Chargers are obviously in the QB market (no, Tyrod Taylor is not a legitimate long term plan), but the dropoff after Tua is steep. Herbert has all the tools, but doesn't put it together on tape. He's like Trubisky with better size and arm strength, or Josh Allen with worse running ability. This isn't a deep QB class, but they take what's there.

    7 - Carolina Panthers - Derrick Brown, DT. I think they're also very tempted to take Isaiah Simmons, who is falling because of need, not talent. They lost Gerald McCoy, Dontari Poe, and Mario Addison from their defensive line, Brown is brutally strong and provides just enough disruption in the passing game to justify being picked this high.

    8 - Arizona Cardinals - Mekhi Becton, OT. Before the Hopkins trade, I would have penciled them in for a WR to help out Kyler, but now they want to give some pass protection, and take the guy with by far the most upside at the position in Becton. The Louisville Cardinal becomes an Arizona Cardinal.

    9 - Jacksonville Jaguars - Tristan Wirfs, OT. While WR remains a possibility here, they are satisfied enough with DJ Chark and Dede Westbrook to justify waiting until a later pick in a deep class to add to that position. They shore up the offensive line which was a liability last year. The Jags are a legitimate Tank for Trevor contender.

    10 - Cleveland Browns - Jedrick Wills, OT. The Browns are also tempted to go Simmons here, but this team was disastrous on the OL last year, particularly at tackle. Wills is the last of the "big four" tackles.

    11 - New York Jets - Jerry Jeudy, WR. The Jets need a lot of help at both WR and OT, and the decision became easier after 3 straight tackles came off the board. Jeudy steps in day 1 as the preferred target for Darnold.

    12 - Las Vegas Raiders - Isaiah Simmons, LB/S. The Raiders had been locked in on taking either of Jeudy or Lamb. Great talents at a position of need. The Simmons slide ends though, as the Raiders take a dynamic hybrid defensive player to combat Mahomes and the Chiefs.

    13 - San Francisco 49ers - CeeDee Lamb, WR. They add another YAC monster to an offense that already includes George Kittle and Deebo Samuel. They let Emmanuel Sanders walk, and replace him with a long term WR1.

    14 - Tampa Bay Bucs - Javon Kinlaw, DT. The Bucs were really hoping one of the top tier OT's fell so they could protect Brady, but the value isn't there to take Josh Jones at this point, so they take the best player on the board, a disruptive, pass rushing interior lineman to fill the void left by Gerald McCoy a year ago.

    15 - Denver Broncos - Henry Ruggs, WR. While I'm not very high on Ruggs, he provides an ideal complement to the more possession based Sutton, and gives Drew Lock an explosive downfield weapon.

    16 - Atlanta Falcons - CJ Henderson, CB. The Falcons have needs across their defense, but Henderson has great physical tools and is a tier ahead of any CB remaining on the board.

    17 - Dallas Cowboys - K'Lavon Chaisson, DE. While this isn't particularly the biggest position of need, and the Cowboys were really hoping to land CJ Henderson to replace Byron Jones, Chaisson is the only other edge rusher in this draft worthy of a day 1 pick after Chase Young. He sits opposite Demarcus Lawrence to wreak havoc on Wentz. You dont need great cover corners if opposing QB's don't have time in the pocket.

    18 - Miami Dolphins - Josh Jones, OT. Miami decides its not too early to take Josh Jones and protects Tua, their new franchise QB.

    19 - Las Vegas Raiders - Kristian Fulton, CB. The Raiders decide that after Lamb/Jeudy are off the board, the next 6-7 receivers on the board are comparable enough in value to justify waiting (and perhaps trading up into the second round) for their next pick to take one. Instead, they address another glaring position of need, and take the prototypically sized Fulton who was battle tested in the SEC.

    20 - Jacksonville Jaguars - Justin Jefferson, WR. After having taken an offensive lineman earlier, they take the next WR off their board, a guy who has shown he can play in the slot or outside. Jefferson looked like a possession WR in college, but he ran in the 4.4 range, giving teams hope he can become a more dangerous weapon with some development. Perhaps they give Minshew a chance to shine with a stronger OL and a new toy out on the perimeter.

    21 - Philadelphia Eagles - Jalen Reagor, WR. The Eagles desperately need downfield speed on their offense, and Reagor is that guy with Ruggs off the board (I personally think Reagor is the better of the two). Their offense sputtered out after DeSean Jackson got hurt, and Reagor fits what they need perfectly.

    22 - Minnesota Vikings - AJ Terrell, CB. The Vikings use the Stefon Diggs pick to replace Xavier Rhodes, and what was been a declining corner position for them, generally. Terrell had a rough championship game, but that was against an all-time college QB throwing to 2 first round caliber WR's (Chase will go top 10 next year).

    23 - New England Patriots - Patrick Queen, LB. I'm not buying the Jordan Love talk for this pick. He was quite frankly not a good college QB, and I don't think BB has the patience for a guy as raw as this. Instead, they take an athletic, versatile linebacker who can run/tackle but also showed good coverage instincts and burst.

    24 - New Orleans Saints - Kenneth Murray, LB. These 2 linebacker picks can be swapped, as they are similar in profile. Murray is a bit better at being physical and taking on blocks in the run game, though Queen shows a tad more pop/burst, though I think they are very close. The Saints don't have a lot of weaknesses, but they take a versatile defender who can hopefully help out against all division rivals (Falcons just traded for Hayden Hurst, the Panthers will use and abuse CMC, and even with those big time receivers, Brady still loves the short passing game).

    25 - Minnesota Vikings - Yetur Gross-Matos, DE. The Vikings are tempted to go receiver here, but Zimmer will bang the table for more defense, and they need to replace Everson Griffen, even though the value here isn't outstanding.

    26 - Miami Dolphins - AJ Epenesa, DE. The Dolphins use the 3rd of their picks to help out on defense. With the 2 highest paid corners in the league (Xavien Howard and Byron Jones) already in the secondary, and the two top linebackers off the board, they take a defensive linemen who was projected to go significantly higher before testing awfully at the combine.

    27 - Seattle Seahawks - Ross Blacklock, DT. The Seahawks need to address their defensive front, which was good not great even with Clowney last year. There isn't much value left at edge, so they take an athletic, strong, penetrating defensive tackle.

    28 - Baltimore Ravens - Michael Pittman, WR. So, the Ravens don't really have much in the way of needs... maybe they could use help at linebacker, but there aren't any worth taking here after Murray/Queen. After the resounding success that was Marquise Brown as Lamar Jackson's deep weapon, they get him another complement on the outside, with the big and fast Michael Pittman. His catch radius is big enough to give Jackson some margin for error, and his big frame allows him to win contested balls on tough third downs.

    29 - Tennessee ans - Jaylon Johnson, CB. The ans have committed to Tannehill, and they think AJ Brown is a legit WR1, which is why they don't go offense here. Instead, they shore up an underperforming CB group with a physical, instinctive CB who maybe needs to learn a bit of discipline, but has a very high ceiling and good ball skills.

    30 - Green Bay Packers - Tee Higgins, WR. The Packers receivers outside of Davante Adams were a massive weakness last year, and they currently don't really have much in the way of a tight end. In comes Tee Higgins, a big slot receiver with great ball skills and good enough speed to make it at the next level.

    31 - San Francisco 49ers - Xavier McKinney, S. After getting Lamb earlier, the Niners go defense here, with the versatile, do-it-all McKinney who shows good enough cover skills to play FS but also is a very sturdy tackler who can match up against TE's and play SS. He will slide in next to Jimmie Ward to complete that secondary.

    32 - Kansas City Chiefs - Jeff Gladney, CB. The Chiefs are loaded on offense, and their defensive front is disruptive. However, they are very vulnerable on the back end, and they address it with Gladney, who isn't the biggest or most imposing corner, but has good coverage instincts and is aggressive on the ball. The Chiefs prioritize playmaking/turnovers above all else.
    womp womp

    green = correct pick
    blue = correct position
    red = wrong

    i did not project any trades, and that made some of the picks impossible (patriots and niners both traded out of the first round)

    9 hits
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    19 whiffs

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    still a lot of good players on the board as there were a number of surprise picks.

    CB - Kristian Fulton, Jaylon Johnson, Trevon Diggs
    S - Xavier McKinney, Grant Delpit, Antoine Winfield Jr.
    WR - Michael Pittman, Denzel Mims, Tee Higgins, Laviska Shenault
    Last edited by spurraider21; 04-23-2020 at 11:31 PM.

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    Fulton the 3rd best corner is still on the board, the rest of these guys drafted after henderson are mid to late 2nd round talent imo
    Terrell and Gladney justified first round picks. The others... not as much imo

    last year everybody thought Greedy Williams was a steal in the 2nd round and he had a pretty rough rookie season.

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    spurraider21's Official 2020 Mock Draft:
    49ers drafting Safety? Resigned one.

    Drafted replacements for the two best players they lost. I think going Defense early was smart decision.

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    still a lot of good players on the board as there were a number of surprise picks.

    CB - Kristian Fulton, Jaylon Johnson, Trevon Diggs
    S - Xavier McKinney, Grant Delpit, Antoine Winfield Jr.
    WR - Michael Pittman, Denzel Mims, Tee Higgins, Laviska Shenault
    last year, the top safeties lasted all the way until the bottom of the 2nd round.

    Hoping for something similar so the Cowboys can still get McKinney and therefore shore up strong safety once and for all.

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    chargers drafting herbert when they could have just signed winston and drafted a great player like simmons

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    49ers won the 1st Round

    This is the most innovative and aggressive franchise currently in the NFL

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    Von Miller's reaction to 9ers picking DT Javon Kinlaw and not WR Jerry Jeudy







    https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article...t-15222833.php

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    I guess Flores is trying to rebuild the Gilmore-Malcolm Butler-Mccourty-Mccourty patriots? I guess
    Those four were never on the team together, Jason McCourty signed the same offseason Butler left.

    Try again.

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    Those four were never on the team together, Jason McCourty signed the same offseason Butler left.

    Try again.
    Yeah I knew that, but you get the picture. Just like what Vrabel did with acquiring Butler, Logan Ryan to go with Adoree Jackson and a smart, fast FS in Byard.

    The objective: try to win games playing single high man coverage and rushing 5 or 6 to stop the other team's passing game by force. Sometimes you give up big plays that way, but they're cool with that if they can get off the field quickly the majority of the time and then win the T.O.P. battle with their own offense.

    It's the opposite of "bend but don't break" pussy defense.

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    It's the opposite of "bend but don't break" pussy defense.
    AKA The Matt Patricia Special

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    Texans pay tunsil. 3 years, 66 mil. they had no choice but to pay him whatever he wanted after giving up 2 firsts in that deal

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    Raiders picked the wrong players at the right positions. still think we need more corners and probably another receiver. have 3 third round picks, so i think they should jump into the 2nd if the right guy falls.

    i still really like denzel mims as a target at WR. laviska shenault would also be pretty awesome to pair with Ruggs. there is still some depth at corner. Fulton is the consensus next man up, but i think the raiders would prefer trevon diggs.

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