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    The "Who do you keep? Kyle, Davis or Forbes" question continues. As SAGirl and others have said, you can't keep shedding young (or relatively young) players. All three are RFAs, I'd be shocked if the Spurs manage to retain all 3. Davis still is the most likely to go, which would be a real shame.
    Been thinking that with all this Kiwi supermax talk and cap issues, whoever can get more than a veteran minimum is going to be gone. At the most, maybe they can be convinced to sign a 1+1 deal. The players themselves may bear the brunt of this difficult market. But the less the Spurs can offer the more likely it is they are all gone. I don’t know how you can pay off Pau and Patty generously and then expect these guys to come back super cheap

    The more the cap constraints are highlighted the more this becomes apparent. Any team can read the Spurs situation and take anyone they want from their RFA.

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    my thoughts too but zach lowe's opinions dont carry much weight these days

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    Been thinking that with all this Kiwi supermax talk and cap issues, whoever can get more than a veteran minimum is going to be gone. At the most, maybe they can be convinced to sign a 1+1 deal. The players themselves may bear the brunt of this difficult market. But the less the Spurs can offer the more likely it is they are all gone. I don’t know how you can pay off Pau and Patty generously and then expect these guys to come back super cheap

    The more the cap constraints are highlighted the more this becomes apparent. Any team can read the Spurs situation and take anyone they want from their RFA.
    My hunch is they keep 2 of 3, but I have no idea which 2 those are.

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    My hunch is they keep 2 of 3, but I have no idea which 2 those are.
    I used to think that, but this supermax/cap issue and the Spurs current commitments lead me to believe they really can’t afford to pay them much, which just opens up the door for market situations to tip the scales away from the Spurs. Any other team can read the situation and steal whoever they want after they miss on other targets.

    Their best bet might be to prioritize whoever it is that they really want from the 3 and aim to keep at least that guy. I think playoff performance likely tips the scales toward one guy, the rest are going to be really easy to steal.

    Some team might get frisky and aim for Davis anyways. Got to be happy for him if that happens.

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    Definitely more questioning than dismissing. As I recall, the debate was about their natural position; I stated it and you proceeded to get upset because someone had the gall to question you.

    I don't care when or how much you respond to me (difficult as it might be to believe, posters on message boards aren't exactly important to me), I was just pointing out the irony. I do respond to people individually even if I do multi-quote frequently.

    I'm far more realistic than you blind faith types.
    The debate was about trading for them. No one cared about their "natural positions" but you. You made that term up and proceeded to not defend it.

    There's no irony. I post all the time, plenty of it in response to people. I'm sorry you don't feel like I do it to you enough. I'll try harder.

    You're realistic in the sense that you think team is going to fail every year. That's mostly true simply by the odds, but when the team is actually in the Finals, it gets old. More importantly, it's not interesting to discuss that over how the team would win if they do.

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    The debate was about trading for them. No one cared about their "natural positions" but you. You made that term up and proceeded to not defend it.

    There's no irony. I post all the time, plenty of it in response to people. I'm sorry you don't feel like I do it to you enough. I'll try harder.

    You're realistic in the sense that you think team is going to fail every year. That's mostly true simply by the odds, but when the team is actually in the Finals, it gets old. More importantly, it's not interesting to discuss that over how the team would win if they do.
    I don't remember the exact details, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess I mentioned their natural positions because I felt it was relevant. I see you're now speaking for others.

    There clearly is.

    No, that's how you blind faith types spin it. I don't think they're going to fail every year so much as I've said they don't have a chance since '15. There's a difference. As a guy who always considers himself the smartest person in the room, you should know that.

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    This team needs and iden y they are caught between the past and present

    1. Mills I love this guy but he is playing terrible I have no problem trading him.
    2. Forbes every year we fall in love with some scrub player that everyone thinks is going to be our next starter. He is just like Mills undersized and a terrible defender which is not going to really help this team.
    3. Tony I love this dude to many fans forget how good he was in his prime but he is well past that time hang it up Tony.
    4. Bertans I like this kid only issue is he can’t rebound worth a but he can handle the ball has a freaking beautiful three ball and his mid game is better then what he has played.
    5. Gay he started great but you could start to tell his injury was effecting his game would like him at the right price .
    6. Green love him or hate him only he is the only SG in the league who can’t dribble a ball. Lol
    7. Gasol WTF.........

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    Not the best headline by SaEN

    Bertans hoping to put the ‘D’ in Davis

    “It’s always been kind of a weakness for him,” Popovich said. “But he’s starting to figure out how to move his feet, how not to foul, and how to do his work early and get in position.”
    “I just try to think more on defense,” Bertans said. “You can’t really improve much physically during the season or get quicker or faster. It’s just knowing the other players, their strengths and weaknesses and trying to play off of that.”
    http://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nat...photo-14893571

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    Not the best headline by SaEN

    Bertans hoping to put the ‘D’ in Davis




    http://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nat...photo-14893571
    You cant get quicker or faster in the season? You play 12 mpg. Wtf. Bye strength coach

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    You cant get quicker or faster in the season? You play 12 mpg. Wtf. Bye strength coach
    Playing is the an hesis of allowing your body to recover after strength training particularly with a dynamic activity like basketball. It does sound like a good way to get injured.

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    This flaming got is the complete opposite of good-to-great.

    SOB has never seen a shot he didn't like. Too bad he doesn't have that problem with rebounds

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    how is 1 for 8 even possible with that stroke? man he better not have any more games like this

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    He's building Trump's wall, tbh...

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    He seems like a chucker that throws up a lot of bad shots. Some of those shots are shots I'd see in my local gym with a guy jacking up a shot just because he could.

    Another player that people overrated (good shooter, but the rest of his game sucks) that the Spurs should have tried hard to include in trade packages during free agency and the draft.

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    Davis aint the best, but he's pretty damn good!!! No one makes every shot an everyone has bad games. Even that unicorn Curry!

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    Get healthy, Rudy. It's not a coincidence the L streak happened when this scrub became part of the rotation

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    Bertans has been pretty solid and consistent this year whenever he gets 15+ minutes.

    It's all about opportunity.

    Pop is slow as molasses to make the necessary personnel adjustments, so it doesn't surprise me to see how it took him 3 months to move Bertans ahead of Joffrey in the rotation.
    Bertans has played over 16 minutes in only 14 games this year.

    In these 14 games,

    He's averaging 11.8 points. 3.4 boards .8 blocks on 52% shooting and 43% from three.

    He needs consistent minutes.
    Those quotes were from earlier this season.

    Anyone know how Bertans has been doing lately?

    I'll share it with you.

    Over the past month Bertans is avg. 24 minutes per game in 13 games, averaging 11 points, 3 boards, .5 blocks on 45% shooting and 37% from 3.

    It was all about the people in-front of him being healthy and playing well ( Kyle and Rudy). With Rudy and Kawhi out and off nights for LA/Pau, Bertans has finally been given consistent time. And its not surprise that his numbers are pretty consistent when he gets quality time, even if he makes a mistake here or there ( all players make mistakes).

    Bertans is a real player. Has been all season. He just needed an opportunity.
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    Get healthy, Rudy. It's not a coincidence the L streak happened when this scrub became part of the rotation
    Bertie has been given 30+ minutes a grand total of 4 times this season.
    The Spurs are 3-1 in those games.

    20+ minutes the Spurs are 10-5.

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    Bertans is a real player. Has been all season. He just needed an opportunity.
    It's one thing to be objectively good, and Bertans has shown that he would be a good 4th big in a rotation. But he has to beat out other guys when the team is healthy. Bertans being good doesn't mean Gay isn't better.

    Bertans's poor rebounding and slight frame is a real liability the way this team is constructed, with plenty of minutes at the 5 available but tons of players competing for minutes at the 3 and 4 when Kawhi and Gay are healthy.

    And 37% from three isn't good enough for a shooting specialist. League average is 36.1%. As SAGirl has pointed out, he seems to take too many contested shots and shots well behind the line so yeah, he's a better shooter than the numbers would indicate. But 37% is 37%, and I would like to see him work on his shot selection.

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    It's one thing to be objectively good, and Bertans has shown that he would be a good 4th big in a rotation. But he has to beat out other guys when the team is healthy. Bertans being good doesn't mean Gay isn't better.

    Bertans's poor rebounding and slight frame is a real liability the way this team is constructed, with plenty of minutes at the 5 available but tons of players competing for minutes at the 3 and 4 when Kawhi and Gay are healthy.

    And 37% from three isn't good enough for a shooting specialist. League average is 36.1%. As SAGirl has pointed out, he seems to take too many contested shots and shots well behind the line so yeah, he's a better shooter than the numbers would indicate. But 37% is 37%, and I would like to see him work on his shot selection.
    If Pop makes the moves he needs to make, there's space in the rotation for all 3 of Bertans, Gay and Anderson.

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    If Pop makes the moves he needs to make, there's space in the rotation for all 3 of Bertans, Gay and Anderson.
    I hope Pop sees the light ...

    I think I told you last month that I had stopped caring about hypothetical healthy rotations bc the team wasn't going to be healthy for a while and it ended up being prophetic (with really no desire to make it so... it's not like I was Robz4000 saying Kiwi would be out the entire season).

    But yea, assuming a fully healthy team and everyone in tip top shape... Pop can make space for all 3 guys if he so wants. There are some guards who will lose some playing time and some like me are inclined to believe Pop has his pets that he needs to play. But I hope that isn't the case this year like MaNu4Tres argues.

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