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    Oh wow I'm supposed to listen to a bunch of Trump voters who said center-right Hillary Clinton was too far to the left for them? What a disaster that would be if the Democrats focus on courting that 30% that will never leave Trump.

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    no warning about the oligarchy financing the extreme right wing insanity, for 45 years, through their Repug s, Federal and state?

    30% of Repug voters support autocracy over democracy, obviously assuming it would be right wing autocrat.

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    most so called democrats who support Hillary or bidet or Warren are actually to the right of center

    Of course these neocons would warn of going left

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    What it will do (moving far left) is stretch the dem voter base even thinner. Some more middle of the road types might vote across the isle instead of that far left.

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    What it will do (moving far left) is stretch the dem voter base even thinner. Some more middle of the road types might vote across the isle instead of that far left.
    Disagree. Similar thing happened with repubs and tea oarty/trump

    What actually happened is most repuvs got on board and voted for far right

    Same thing would happen for dems

    It actually did happen for dems a few years ago w Obama. All they need is a true left leader that rallies the base. But that won't happen if dinasours like Pelosi shimmer keep blocking

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    Disagree. Similar thing happened with repubs and tea oarty/trump

    What actually happened is most repuvs got on board and voted for far right

    Same thing would happen for dems
    I don't think so. The US is mostly fiscally conservative but liberal on human rights... mostly. You still have a large "muh sky daddy" population who thinks in terms of universal divine edict, regardless of their purported political stance. Both sides of the isle pander to this large base of idiots, so they know those people won't just abandon all their Sunday school brain washing and vote to kill the babies and abandon the bill of rights. The twitter folks might, but that's a very small percentage of the voter base.

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    I don't think so. The US is mostly fiscally conservative but liberal on human rights... mostly. You still have a large "muh sky daddy" population who thinks in terms of universal divine edict, regardless of their purported political stance. Both sides of the isle pander to this large base of idiots, so they know those people won't just abandon all their Sunday school brain washing and vote to kill the babies and abandon the bill of rights. The twitter folks might, but that's a very small percentage of the voter base.
    Disagree. Obama and now Bernie are living proof many Americans are hungry for socialism. Let's not forget only reason Bernie did not win the nomination was because DNC cheated

    Had Bernie won the nomination as he should rightfully should have all bets are off whether Bernie or Trump would have won.

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    What it will do (moving far left) is stretch the dem voter base even thinner. Some more middle of the road types might vote across the isle instead of that far left.
    Yeah that worked great with Clinton.

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    No "middle of the road" Democrat is going to vote for Donald Trump. The risk is that they simply don't vote. That's Democrats' real weakness. Republicans/conservatives will always rally and vote for the Republican choice, even if they hate him, because they will always hate liberals more. (It doesn't hurt that in rural areas, election day is one of the more exciting semiannual community activities and takes 5 minutes as opposed to the hours it takes to vote in some urban areas.)

    Democrats have to be "excited" by their candidate, and the idea that not voting might put someone like Donald Trump back in the White House isn't enough for them.

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    Yeah that worked great with Clinton.
    Hillary was and is, like the entire BigMoney Dem establishment, center right, not at all "too far left"

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    Yeah that worked great with Clinton.
    Not sure which Clinton you're referring to, but Hillary won her primary. ing Bernie over cost her a few votes but she was projected to win. Her loss wasn't because she wasn't left far enough. Even now with all these far left folks in the news, you have an old white male, middle of the road compared to the aforementioned, as a frontrunner in an election when he didn't do anything between 2016 and now. That should indicate that the American people aren't ready for the far left agenda.

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    No "middle of the road" Democrat is going to vote for Donald Trump. The risk is that they simply don't vote. That's Democrats' real weakness. Republicans/conservatives will always rally and vote for the Republican choice, even if they hate him, because they will always hate liberals more. (It doesn't hurt that in rural areas, election day is one of the more exciting semiannual community activities and takes 5 minutes as opposed to the hours it takes to vote in some urban areas.)

    Democrats have to be "excited" by their candidate, and the idea that not voting might put someone like Donald Trump back in the White House isn't enough for them.
    As you say, not voting for one is a vote for the other. These rural areas you speak of make up the majority of the country. They get ignored by the press and by politicians most of the time because their individual stories don't sell a lot of copy.

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    Disagree. Obama and now Bernie are living proof many Americans are hungry for socialism. Let's not forget only reason Bernie did not win the nomination was because DNC cheated

    Had Bernie won the nomination as he should rightfully should have all bets are off whether Bernie or Trump would have won.
    Americans are not hungry for socialism. If they were they'd have it. They are hungry for cheeseburgers, pizza, guns and alcohol. You can find all of these on damn near every street in anycity USA.

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    What it will do (moving far left) is stretch the dem voter base even thinner. Some more middle of the road types might vote across the isle instead of that far left.
    Stupidest comment on this thread. Rule #1: NEVER ABANDON YOUR BASE.

    TBH don't know if ppl like you are this stupid or you'll just like to push Democrats to the right for strategic reasons cuz you know that will make them more ty and improves the chances of Repugs winning.

    Obama was a Republican and your side still called him a "commie"
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    Not sure which Clinton you're referring to, but Hillary won her primary. ing Bernie over cost her a few votes but she was projected to win. Her loss wasn't because she wasn't left far enough. Even now with all these far left folks in the news, you have an old white male, middle of the road compared to the aforementioned, as a frontrunner in an election when he didn't do anything between 2016 and now. That should indicate that the American people aren't ready for the far left agenda.
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    Stupidest comment on this thread. Rule #1: NEVER ABANDON YOUR BASE.

    TBH don't know if ppl like you are this stupud or you'll just like to push Democrats to the right for strategic reasons cuz you know that will make them more ty and improves the chances of Repugs winning.

    Obama was a Republican and your side still called him a "commie"






    A far right-wing lunatic like Joe Manchin (or Killary) can run as a Democrat and you still wouldn't vote for him cuz all your side cares about is unborn fetuses. Your side would still call him a commie. So who gives a what loyal lifetime Republican voters want. People that are struggling and living paycheck to paycheck in the rust belt is what matters. Those people will vote Democrat or Republican based on who's gonna give them jobs and help them pay their insulin.

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    Those corporate Democrats should abandon the party and go join the Republicans. Let the progressives take over so we can have some resistance to the Republicans. Allow the Democrats to shift the Overton window back to the left and revive the FDR democratic socialist type of Dems

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    Not sure which Clinton you're referring to, but Hillary won her primary. ing Bernie over cost her a few votes but she was projected to win. Her loss wasn't because she wasn't left far enough. Even now with all these far left folks in the news, you have an old white male, middle of the road compared to the aforementioned, as a frontrunner in an election when he didn't do anything between 2016 and now. That should indicate that the American people aren't ready for the far left agenda.
    Meh bull . She lost because she was a center right corporate shill who excited no one from her base. Reck is the only person on this forum who actually liked her in 2016. When Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 with fewer votes than Romney had losing Wisconsin in 2012 that pretty clearly tells how enthusiastic people were for her centrist crap. Things like Medicare For All aren't far left by any definition other than compared to the Washington status quo no matter how much you and the right try to paint it that way. I don't really care if the Democrat appeals to you since you're going to vote for the Republican anyways. You're not the person the Democrats need to target.

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    Meh bull . She lost because she was a center right corporate shill who excited no one from her base. Reck is the only person on this forum who actually liked her in 2016. When Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 with fewer votes than Romney had losing Wisconsin in 2012 that pretty clearly tells how enthusiastic people were for her centrist crap. Things like Medicare For All aren't far left by any definition other than compared to the Washington status quo no matter how much you and the right try to paint it that way. I don't really care if the Democrat appeals to you since you're going to vote for the Republican anyways. You're not the person the Democrats need to target.
    Yeah I'll fess up to "liking" her when you find a post of mine that indicates such.

    In terms of agreeing which candidate I found more realistic, sure Hillary had more grounded policies than Bernie. If that is your measure of liking someone then I guess.

    Did you vote for Bernie or Hillary? If you voted for her then you're in the same vote as me.

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    BTW, I did not vote in the primary which seems to be the argument you and DMC are having so feel free to exclude me from this conversation.

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    Yeah I'll fess up to "liking" her when you find a post of mine that indicates such.

    In terms of agreeing which candidate I found more realistic, sure Hillary had more grounded policies than Bernie. If that is your measure of liking someone then I guess.

    Did you vote for Bernie or Hillary? If you voted for her then you're in the same vote as me.
    I voted Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general.

    What exactly were Clinton's grounded policies? No fly zone in Syria?

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    I voted Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general.
    See my edit in post above yours.

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    BTW, I did not vote in the primary which seems to be the argument you and DMC are having so feel free to exclude me from this conversation.
    I was talking about the general election where lots of Democrat voters stayed home because of a center-right candidate.

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