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I mean why pursue Ayton if you are drafting Duren? ^
I know this will get a lot of eye rolls (and I agree it should) but I’ve casually heard that SA is not going to aggressively pursue Ayton. timvp care to comment on anything you’ve heard regarding this?
I mean why pursue Ayton if you are drafting Duren? ^
Why would anyone think the Spurs were aggressively pursuing Ayton?
Agree - but don’t think it has to do with that. Duren isn’t good enough to pass on Ayton if you think Ayton is worth paying that max anyways.
It’s more of they don’t seem to have interest in doing so at the moment (not sure why, I think Ayton is worth it). But it’s just a rumor about SA current mindset - not sure if true. Just heard that with all the Ayton being linked to SA stuff is a bit overblown and SA at the moment isn’t planning on some all out pursuit.
Sounds like a smoke screen to me. Why so specific on getting the 8? Maybe they want Duren and are trying to jump us.
Lowe and others like that have been linking SA to Ayton a ton…picking up steam on the podcasts etc
More so that NO might be looking to move 8.
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Frankly I didn't know this. I was interested in Ayton but didn't know this speculation was going around. It could have just been someone looking at who has cap and would seem interested in trying to pry him away, and it wasn't based on any real knowledge... Nothing different than you and I speculating about it.
I had my doubts on it happening bc even though Chinook and others made so much noise about just being able to max him and place the Suns in a pickle, the Suns could just match and things are usually a lot more complicated than that including whether the player wants to leave and is in an irreparable rift with current team or not. It reminds me of Collins last year leveraging interest to get a sum he wanted from Atlanta.
I think it's possible Ayton really wanted to leave bc the end looked ugly for that team and he seems disgruntled but if the Suns are appeasing him and bending over, I don't think the Spurs would waste their time there.
Pivot to Duren and move on.
^ interesting info
I think the lynchpin of all this what the Spurs think about DJM, who I understand is extension eligible now.
If they're not prepared to max him, then it's a strong sign they're entering the next rebuild phase and Pop is likely out the door after next season. In that world (a) it doesn't make sense to go for Ayton, OG, or any other player on DJ's "timeline"; (b) it makes sense to extend and trade Jak and possibly Keldon this year; and (c) it makes sense to draft younger players like Duren, Deing, etc.
The opposite is also true. If they intend to pay DJM, then it makes sense to surround him around more established players this offseason that are on his "timeline," and hope for leaps from players like Vassell or Keldon. I'm not partial to Ayton, but you can see how some within the org would be. Then you draft a more mature player like Johnny Davis at 9, and look for specialists in the 20s.
Sure. But that’s what’s going around those circles. Is what it is and we will see. I would love for SA to trade Jakob for a lottery pick and pay Ayton personally
FYI, i thought this was a helpful primer describing the complicated salary matching rules that would impact any Ayton trade: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/12/...n-2021-22.html
DJM is extension eligible come October 2022 for an additional 3yrs 68.8mm. He is worth more than that so wil be hitting free agency regardless.
Thanks for this clarification... cap rules are really confusing.
Him and Jakob are kind of in a similar situation then. Both up for raises, both set to hit UFA. Jakob next summer, DJM in another year. Places the Spurs in a pickle with regards to making win now moves vs. not.
DS2 is on D+ as of today I’m gonna rewatch that tbh
Yea it is quite difficult to trade Bridges as it is. Thanks for sharing.
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Still, going back to DPG, Ayton could just be posturing to get the max he wants from the Suns. It's similar to John Collins last summer.
To clarify, I shared not bc of Bridges but the example of his situation, which shows the difference between incoming and outgoing salaries when a rookie extension player is signed and traded.
Basically, as I understand it, in a Ayton trade the Spurs’ incoming salary hit would be the max amount, but PHX would only be able to receive something like half that in salary. Spurs should be able to construct a trade easy enough, but other non-capspace suitors like the Hawks would have a much harder time.
This now becomes the threshold question entering free agency -- to Ayton or not to Ayton?
If not, then I see a lot of cap space renting ahead this summer. Don't see the value in going after an OG honestly, and CHA is keeping Bridges. Jollins remains underwhelming to me.
Definitely not.
Ayton doesn't solve any issues. He's not an outside shooter. He's an okay rebounder. He's not a shotblocker. We don't need interior scoring.
That cap space is better used to absorb contracts, whether for useful short term veterans or more likely to gain draft assets in the future.
I dont disagree.
I'm just saying the team needs to make a calculation/assessment on Ayton, which will then plot the rest of offseason. If they come to your conclusion (i tend to agree btw), renting space makes sense and my first call is to the Knicks. But you can see how the Spurs may, in fact, see Ayton as an important piece of the equation.
I think s&t Ayton for Murray and Jacob make it done
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