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    Who is this guy, again? travis2's Avatar
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    per WOAI news...

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    Next, President of the United States.

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    As well she should be.
    Now I hope she grows some juevos to stand up to Bush when his judgement is clearly wrong. Can she take it like Powell did?

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    Come on now Neo..even you don't believe that.

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    Who's Your Caddy?! NeoConIV's Avatar
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    Why isn't it plausible?

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    not only is it plausible for very possible but I don't think you really believe it.
    Could it be a cat fight for the White House in '08?

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    not only is it plausible for very possible...
    Wha?

    Well, she's my first choice anyway. After Bush, the field doesn't look very reassuring. Bill Frist would be my second choice. Everyone else just pales to Bush IMO.

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    Who is this guy, again? travis2's Avatar
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    Next, President of the United States.
    Can you imagine a Rice/Hutchinson ticket?

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    Who's Your Caddy?! NeoConIV's Avatar
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    What about Rice/Frist?

    I'll take Rice/Hutchinson, you betcha

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    Who is this guy, again? travis2's Avatar
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    What about Rice/Frist?

    I'll take Rice/Hutchinson, you betcha
    Rice/Frist would be just fine too...

    I was just thinking what the feminists would scream...

    BTW...I heard the final count was 85-13

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    If only Condi would start signaling that she's interested. When asked, she's real flat about the prospect and then jokes about being the next NFL Commish. I hope in the next year or two she gets serious and start positioning herself for a run. Does she realize the support she'll get?

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    Who is this guy, again? travis2's Avatar
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    Senate confirms Rice as secretary of state
    Thirteen senators oppose nomination over Iraq policy

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    Updated: 12:20 p.m. ET Jan. 26, 2005

    WASHINGTON - Condoleezza Rice won easy confirmation Wednesday to be President Bush's new secretary of state, despite strong dissent from a small group of Democrats who said she shares blame for mistakes and war deaths in Iraq.

    The Senate voted 85 to 13 to confirm Rice, who succeeds Colin Powell as America's top diplomat and becomes the first black woman to hold the job. Twelve Democrats and one independent voted against Rice’s nomination.

    Republican leaders had predicted easy confirmation for Rice, 50, who surved as Bush's national security adviser during his first term.

    Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., predicted before the vote that Rice would have “an overwhelming majority” of votes. Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., cautioned against “inflammatory rhetoric that is designed merely to create partisan advantage or to settle partisan scores.”

    Lugar is chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, which recommended confirmation last week with a 16-2 vote.

    During Rice’s nomination debate Tuesday, one of the most outspoken Democrats was Mark Dayton, D-Minn., who described her as a liar and an apologist for Bush administration failures in Iraq.

    “I don’t like impugning anyone’s integrity, but I really don’t like being lied to,” he said. “Repeatedly, flagrantly, intentionally.”

    Politicians rarely use the word “lie,” preferring some of the milder terms other Democrats used Tuesday.

    “There was no reason to go to war in Iraq when we did, the way we did and for the false reasons we were given,” said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.

    Rice is not directly responsible for intelligence failures before the Iraq war that overestimated Saddam’s nuclear capability, said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. “But she is responsible for her own distortions and exaggerations of the intelligence which was provided to her,” Levin said.

    “Dr. Rice is responsible for some of the most overblown rhetoric that the administration used to scare the American people,” Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., said.

    The Senate set aside most of the day Tuesday to debate the Rice nomination after Democrats revolted against a plan to confirm Rice last week, on the same day that Bush took his oath for a second term.

    “We should have been done last week,” Frist said. “I was disappointed that we are having to march through the debate today. But ultimately the vote will occur.”

    Republicans who took the floor to endorse Rice included Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., who has been a sometime critic of the Bush administration’s Iraq policies.

    “Dr. Rice has the intelligence, the integrity and the experience for this job. She has the president’s confidence,” Hagel said.

    In his dealings with Rice, “she’s always been candid and honest, and she listened,” Hagel said.

    Rice answered 199 questions during two days of hearings before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee last week, Lugar said. She answered almost as many in writing, a record nearly unmatched by other Cabinet nominees through history, Lugar said.

    Democrats on the committee and off it, however, said Rice dodged hard questions.

    Democrats, in the minority in Congress, often resort to delaying what they cannot defeat.

    Byrd, the longest-serving Democratic senator and a student of the Cons ution, insisted that his party is merely doing its duty.

    “I am particularly dismayed by criticism I have read that Senate Democrats by insisting on having the opportunity to debate this nomination have somehow been engaged in nothing more substantial than petty politics or partisan delaying tactics,” Byrd said, his voice rising in anger.

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    Why isn't it plausible?
    first african american and first female at the same time? plus, she is not without her critics.

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    I thought Condi was pretty serious about wanting to be the NFL commissioner. But I guess if you're in a favorable climate to get to the Oval Office, you'd better do it.

    Does Dubya still talk about running MLB after '08?

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    first african american and first female at the same time?
    Hear this all the time, but I just don't buy it. If the next four years go relatively to plan, Condi would roll up on any Democratic opponent.

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    Wha?

    Well, she's my first choice anyway. After Bush, the field doesn't look very reassuring. Bill Frist would be my second choice. Everyone else just pales to Bush IMO.
    What about Newt? Or the bad ass Senator John McCain?

    Shirley there has to be some some big neo-cons you favor?

    It'll be interesting as the conservative republicans begin their slight attacks on Bush's policies...first Newt and now even Pat Robertson is starting to say negative things about his beloved Dubya.

    It's going to be very interesting indeed.

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    Travis, the democrats were doing their job.

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    Travis, the democrats were doing their job.
    What are you referring to?

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    plus, she is not without her critics.
    Well, that eliminates her then.

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    Well, that eliminates her then.
    No kidding.

    If Condi doesn't have a presidential run in her, then I'll take Frist. Don't know after that.

    Love Newt, but too much baggage. Have you heard that he might run? I haven't heard anything remotely suggesting that.

    McCain? Lukewarm. Very lukewarm. Lot of pro-life momentum going right now. Would hate to see McCain come crashing down on that parade.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    What are you referring to?
    It is their job to question Condi. If not then why even bother to have confirmation hearings? Are they just suppose to say " o Condi!", give her a high five and move on?
    It is this process of "checks and balances" that make up the process.
    That was what I was referring to.

    Neo-Con..republicans who have their eye on the White House are not going to publicly say anything at this point. It is too early.
    But I think those who do are already preparing their stategeries.

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    Yes, but they give signals, and leave it up to you to read between the lines, like Rudy and McCain and others.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    Do you think Rudy will put his name out there?
    And will conservatives vote for a man known to have affairs?...alledgedly.

    And don't tell me you and Yonivore don't read between the lines??!!

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    It's 11:46...and OU STILL sucks!!!!! jalbre6's Avatar
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    Do you think Rudy will put his name out there?
    And will conservatives vote for a man known to have affairs?...alledgedly.
    Joe, at one time I thought he was going to be the Republican candidate in '08. , I thought he might have replaced Cheney on the last ticket. 9-11 will be six and a half years gone when it's time to campaign next. That's a lot of time to dig up more dirt on Rudy, who's 1st marriage had been annulled by the Catholic Church when he claimed he had not realized his first wife was his second cousin when they wed. Then he immediately married Donna Hanover, who most think he was sleeping with toward the end of his first marriage, which lasted 16-17 years until Judy Nathan (I think) came along and the NYC tabloids went nuts.

    I don't think that the religious right is gonna buy all that.

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    Rudy is about at the rock bottom of my list for Prez candidates, though still remains very high on my most admired list...

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