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    as suggested in the subtweets, with the wheels coming off Trumpism, perhaps Bundy is pivoting to rebrand himself.

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    as suggested in the subtweets, with the wheels coming off Trumpism, perhaps Bundy is pivoting to rebrand himself.

    You called it

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    I was trying to describe the moment, not predict the future, I'm terrible at the latter.

    Cheers, Trill Clinton!


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    Maybe I got Ammon Bundy wrong. Maybe he really is a man of the people, a true anti-authoritarian, helping us to elude the devious traps and snares of the man!

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    Nothing authoritarian about LEO... it's when they abuse their authority and/or break the law that's a problem.

    IMO, guys like Bundy understand 'freedom' as my way or the highway, far-west-style... we grew up from that as a society a long time ago.

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    Nothing authoritarian about LEO... it's when they abuse their authority and/or break the law that's a problem.

    IMO, guys like Bundy understand 'freedom' as my way or the highway, far-west-style... we grew up from that as a society a long time ago.
    As illustrated by the riots

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    As illustrated by the riots
    Sure. I despise riots. What I hate the most about them is that they tend to ruin what's otherwise peaceful protests.

    At least guys like Bundy are pretty upfront about not giving a about laws and government, as wrong as he might be.

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    As illustrated by the riots
    Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.
    Sounds like whataboutism to me
    Whataboutism incoming...
    More whataboutism?
    Whataboutism good now

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    Bundy warns he will 'walk towards guns' if Biden tries to collect 28 years of unpaid grazing fees

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...d-grazing-fees

    Joe, call his bluff, and shoot him dead since that's what he asks for. Make an example of him.

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    [DMC finds a new word]
    [clutches pearls]

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    Ammon Bundy has amassed an army of over 50,000

    as he looks for his next battle in a religious war


    believes he's doing God's work.

    Coming from a long line of religiously inspired men who have been "called" to defend the US Cons ution,

    Bundy has varied in his focus, from rebelling against public land ranching regulations to protesting COVID-19 safety protocols.

    But in his view, these are all forms of government tyranny and affronts to cons utional rights.

    Arrested for the fourth time on March 15, 2021,

    Bundy was taken into custody for failing to appear at his hearing on past trespassing charges.

    Because he refused to wear a mask into the courtroom, thereby missing his trial, he was apprehended outside

    in the last year he successfully established a coalition of supporters that is broad, diverse, and a serious threat to federal law.

    People's Rights Network. Like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, it includes members who

    see the current government as a threat to perceived rights and are committed to defend their ideas of personal liberty, by force if necessary.

    is a libertarian worldview and his take on Mormonism.

    Bundy's ideology parallels the thinking of certain leaders in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,

    who've had a history of government cynicism.

    He also shares with them a tradition of
    theo-cons utionalism--venerating the Cons ution as a sacred do ent.

    The paradox here is that Bundy believes
    he is upholding the Cons ution and fulfilling his religious duties in his acts of lawlessness.

    paradox?

    this is where things get treacherous.

    If the Cons ution is sacred, but those overseeing it are evil, then who determines and upholds the law of the land?

    Bundy has come to think that this is his duty—a chilling certainty that is likely to escalate during this current administration.


    The patriarch Bundy and his most infamous son share the conviction that the federal government has no cons utional right or power to own land;

    hence the land belongs to those white people who have occupied and used it,

    and the requirement of grazing fees paid to the Bureau of Land Management is uncons utional.


    Cliven has repeatedly lost his appeals in federal court, and currently owes over a million dollars in fines and fees,

    To Ammon, mask mandates and grazing regulations are the same thing—affronts to cons utional rights. Law and common good be damned—he sees both as tyranny.

    https://www.alternet.org/2021/03/ammon-bundy/

    White Male Supremacy, racism, and religion extremists led by grifting, corrupt "pastors", all financed by anti-democratic Capitalists, are ing up America.



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    deep historical background,



    Sarah Winnemucca briefly went to Malheur, then a reservation:



    local ranchers had already been grazing there, before long the reservation was nullified and its residents dispersed.

    https://oregonencyclopedia.org/artic.../#.W_WYJjhKiUk



    https://www.burnspaiute-nsn.gov/



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    More greater Idaho melodrama. Bundy is resisting a civil summons.


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    More greater Idaho melodrama. Bundy is resisting a civil summons.

    Isn't he a felon already?

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    Isn't he a felon already?
    Not convicted. A few misdemeanors, though.

    https://www.lmtribune.com/northwest/...5d74b5ab1.html

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    I loved when they had that standoff taking all this “liberty or death” BS, then as soon as the feds popped one of their guys, they immediately surrendered

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