The Mask

[ChumpDumper]

Well said and wholeheartedly agree.

Gets called out and drama begins.

Cheers!

Back atcha Blake!

[DMC]

But hey, death compared to that drink you wanted, hard to choose. You see a guy without a mask walking around, probably low risk until you get on a forum.

[DMC]

I'm arguing with your stupid premise that it's all or nothing in every case.

You're just wrong.

So you're arguing against your own strawman. Got it.

[ChumpDumper]

So you're arguing against your own strawman. Got it.

your argument is the risk is the same no matter the situation.

You're wrong.

[Trainwreck2100]

But not putting the others around them at risk? Did you forget masks are to protect the others, not the wearer? Walking around without a mask, you're endangering people sitting at tables and doing just about anything else, without masks. Again, placebo. You see masks, you think "best effort, good enough". It doesn't mean masks themselves are placebos (some are) but that the way it's being executed and policed is largely to salve the public fear.

looks to me like they are six feet apart and outside, so long as nobody yells or sings, the risk should be small. But there is still a risk

[ChumpDumper]

looks to me like they are six feet apart and outside, so long as nobody yells or sings, the risk should be small. But there is still a risk

Exactly.

DMC thinks it exactly the same risk as giving mouth-to-mouth to a COVID patient in the ICU.

[DMC]

looks to me like they are six feet apart and outside, so long as nobody yells or sings, the risk should be small. But there is still a risk

So no masks ok as long as you're 6' apart? These seem like new rules. So if someone decides to not wear a mask at all, there's very little risk in that?

[ChumpDumper]

So no masks ok as long as you're 6' apart? These seem like new rules. So if someone decides to not wear a mask at all, there's very little risk in that?

Outdoors at 6'? Not a new guideline at all. Where you been?

[Trainwreck2100]

So no masks ok as long as you're 6' apart? These seem like new rules. So if someone decides to not wear a mask at all, there's very little risk in that?

Maskless outdoors exercising as long as 6 feet apart has been something from the beginning.

[DMC]

Exactly.

DMC thinks it exactly the same risk as giving mouth-to-mouth to a COVID patient in the ICU.

Another narrative, another strawman.

[ChumpDumper]

Another narrative, another strawman.

Do you think the risk of infection standing six feet from a person infected with COVID outside is the same as giving mouth-to-mouth to one in the ICU?

Yes or no.

Let's make everything clear.

This will be the first of a few scenarios.

[DMC]

Maskless outdoors exercising as long as 6 feet apart has been something from the beginning.

Not sure you get the point. You're saying the authorities don't require it, but is that where you draw the line for safety? They are not exercising in that image. The people standing without masks are simply maskless, but since others are wearing masks, the impression (even you said this) is that those wearing masks are protected. The protection is supposed to come from the barrier that prevents the wearer from spreading their own virus. It isn't stated to prevent the wearer from getting it, otherwise the CDC should never have recommend against wearing masks.

That image isn't even about mask violations, it's just a stock photo from a restaurant where people are wearing masks. Do you think those people feel at risk, the people sitting who could just as easily be infected as to infect someone else by coughing or sneezing, or the people standing who could do the same? Is the risk of getting the virus less of a concern than the prospect of not eating out?

Saying there's a risk to everything is a copout. If mask wearing is a true barrier for the virus and creates a safer situation, regardless the mask type or adherence to mask hygiene or protocol, there's some magic happening. Instead, it seems more likely that much of the mask wearing is just to say they have on a mask, so they can get into places. In those cases, it's a placebo for those around them to be OK with it. A person without a mask walks in, the place goes quiet. Same person walks in with a valve style mask, no one even raises an eyebrow.

Maybe some here don't really understand what a placebo effect is.

[Ef-man]

Do you think the risk of infection standing six feet from a person infected with COVID outside is the same as giving mouth-to-mouth to one in the ICU?

Yes or no.

Let's make everything clear.

This will be the first of a few scenarios.

I take my hat off to you BlakeChumpDumper (and all your other alts, e.g., Reck, Trainwreck, Will Hunting, RandomGuy, BlakeBlake, BaselineBum) for man handling these fools on a daily basis!

There is a special place in Blakedom for heroes such as you.

[DMC]

Do you think the risk of infection standing six feet from a person infected with COVID outside is the same as giving mouth-to-mouth to one in the ICU?

Yes or no.

Let's make everything clear.

This will be the first of a few scenarios.

That's your strawman, you wrangle it all you wish.

[Ef-man]

Not sure you get the point. You're saying the authorities don't require it, but is that where you draw the line for safety? They are not exercising in that image. The people standing without masks are simply maskless, but since others are wearing masks, the impression (even you said this) is that those wearing masks are protected. The protection is supposed to come from the barrier that prevents the wearer from spreading their own virus. It isn't stated to prevent the wearer from getting it, otherwise the CDC should never have recommend against wearing masks.

That image isn't even about mask violations, it's just a stock photo from a restaurant where people are wearing masks. Do you think those people feel at risk, the people sitting who could just as easily be infected as to infect someone else by coughing or sneezing, or the people standing who could do the same? Is the risk of getting the virus less of a concern than the prospect of not eating out?

Saying there's a risk to everything is a copout. If mask wearing is a true barrier for the virus and creates a safer situation, regardless the mask type or adherence to mask hygiene or protocol, there's some magic happening. Instead, it seems more likely that much of the mask wearing is just to say they have on a mask, so they can get into places. In those cases, it's a placebo for those around them to be OK with it. A person without a mask walks in, the place goes quiet. Same person walks in with a valve style mask, no one even raises an eyebrow.

Maybe some here don't really understand what a placebo effect is.

And still no proof much less one that is peer reviewed.

#DramaQueenForLife

[ChumpDumper]

That's your strawman, you wrangle it all you wish.

DMC folds.

Maybe you should take a deep breath and figure out where you went wrong in your argument.

[DMC]

And still no proof much less one that is peer reviewed.

#DramaQueenForLife

What do you need proof of exactly?

[ChumpDumper]

And still no proof much less one that is peer reviewed.

#DramaQueenForLife

Somehow we're supposed to accept whatever is coming straight out of his ass.

He didn't even know the 6 feet guideline.

[Trainwreck2100]

Not sure you get the point. You're saying the authorities don't require it, but is that where you draw the line for safety? They are not exercising in that image. The people standing without masks are simply maskless, but since others are wearing masks, the impression (even you said this) is that those wearing masks are protected. The protection is supposed to come from the barrier that prevents the wearer from spreading their own virus. It isn't stated to prevent the wearer from getting it, otherwise the CDC should never have recommend against wearing masks.

That image isn't even about mask violations, it's just a stock photo from a restaurant where people are wearing masks. Do you think those people feel at risk, the people sitting who could just as easily be infected as to infect someone else by coughing or sneezing, or the people standing who could do the same? Is the risk of getting the virus less of a concern than the prospect of not eating out?

Saying there's a risk to everything is a copout. If mask wearing is a true barrier for the virus and creates a safer situation, regardless the mask type or adherence to mask hygiene or protocol, there's some magic happening. Instead, it seems more likely that much of the mask wearing is just to say they have on a mask, so they can get into places. In those cases, it's a placebo for those around them to be OK with it. A person without a mask walks in, the place goes quiet. Same person walks in with a valve style mask, no one even raises an eyebrow.

Maybe some here don't really understand what a placebo effect is.

I draw the line at established social distancing yes. 6 ft exercising and six feet sitting are the same thing, I only brought up exercise because that's been there the whole time. It's been there the whole time because that was I've of the only times your see someone out during lockdown.

[Ef-man]

Somehow we're supposed to accept whatever is coming straight out of his ass.

He didn't even know the 6 feet guideline.

Ditto!

Well said.

[DMC]

Somehow we're supposed to accept whatever is coming straight out of his ass.

He didn't even know the 6 feet guideline.

https://news.umich.edu/masks-hand-wa...to-50-percent/

Did you wear a mask during flu season yearly? If not, you're a careless son of-a .

[Ef-man]

https://news.umich.edu/masks-hand-wa...to-50-percent/

Did you wear a mask during flu season yearly? If not, you're a careless son of-a .

So masks are not placebos!

Thank you!

Self-goal!

Great work BlakeChumpDumper!

Your work is done here.

Please take a bow.

[ChumpDumper]

https://news.umich.edu/masks-hand-wa...to-50-percent/

Did you wear a mask during flu season yearly? If not, you're a careless son of-a .

So masks are not placebos!

Thank you!

Self-goal!

Great work BlakeChumpDumper!

Your work is done here.

Please take a bow.

Got him, Blake!

Or rather, he all over himself.

[Ef-man]

Got him, Blake!

Or rather, he all over himself.

Hat off to you sir!

My main concern is the derp, this one is just a sideline.

Cheers!

[DMC]

So masks are not placebos!

Thank you!

Self-goal!

Great work BlakeChumpDumper!

Your work is done here.

Please take a bow.

I didn't say masks are placebos. See, you too can build a strawman. I said the wearing of valved masks and removing them just to continue walking around (and no one seeming to care) was a placebo mostly. See, RIF.