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  1. #3051
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    There isn’t a single school in the country that has the funds to buyout their coaches especially one that is 20mil

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    I didn't attend the University of Texas so I really don't have a right to attack the academic side, but I'm going to. I am very much at odds with the academic side of UT and most every university right now. Not because I am a football fan, but because they are socialist hypocrites when it comes to football. Lets face it, Universities have football because it is advertisement to entice kids to attend the University. This is why places like UTSA and Texas State have put so much money into their football programs. Some programs like Texas are actually making money and give back to the University, but it seems that the University isn't willing to give the football program the ability to win games.

    I'm not asking for them to go full on SMU or renegade, and I appreciate there is a commitment to honesty, but lets face it, in today's day and age, you either want to win or you want to play fair. You can't have it both ways, there is a gift horse in front of us, and we seem to keep looking it in the mouth.

    I had one goal for tom this year, prove you can win a conference, and I guess that is still on the table, but I just don't see it happening. His cir stances will never be better than they are right now. And he still can't beat a very pedestrian TCU team. This is the most talented team Texas has fielded since 2009 and we can't seem to stop anyone and we are still extremely undisciplined. What I don't see is attention to detail, if I did, then I wouldn't see DBs getting toasted, and running backs fumbling at the 1 yard line. This is on Tom Herman.

    Look I like a number of coaches out there, and I'm sure any number of them can come in and do a good job, but more than anything, Texas needs a winner and name recognition, and Urban brings that. Kids know Urban will get them winning, and get them to the league. Tom's time is up. To be honest, there are only a few assistants I might let go, in fact, I think Texas has the assistants to get the job done outside of Hand. What they need is a leader to set the tone and Tom isn't that guy.

    Maybe in about 5 to 10 years Tom will be that guy, but today he isn't. Right now he is in over his head.
    I like some of this, and some of it sounds like the ATM Sec forum.
    I am 4th generation UT. My Grandfather and father went to UT law school. This does not give me any more or less fandom than you deserve to have, but honest got God this sounds like what my father thinks about Texas ATM.

    The money for likeness stuff was already a blow. Now hiring a lying asshole.
    To win football games. The University is bigger than this. And yes I was dying on Saturday watching that game, I could not even post.
    I threw a workout tantrum on the bike and tried to kill every muscle in my body for 3 hours.

    No Meyer. Please please come up with someone, anyone else.
    BTW was it not Mack Brown that suggested Herman? Royal was better at seeing I guess, find a guy like Royal to advise.

    ATm

    Sherrill
    Franchione
    Jimbo (crablegs- go scream on the table in the student cafeteria to the girlies)
    Sumlin

    Then go play for the SEC.
    Im not joining that group of wannabe soldiers.
    Adios amigos. I hope we find the right guy, cause by default its not Meyer.

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    I feel the same way about Meyer and Herman. And, the main reason is I'm not sure CDC knows how to evaluate young coaching talent -- that usually takes an experienced coach to see traits that non-coaches cant see. It took Darrell Royal to force Deloss to hire Mack Brown. It took DX Bible to hire Darrell Royal from 5-5 Washington team. Where is that mentor to CDC to hire the next head coach? in north carolina? So the quick fix is to hire an undesirable Urban Meyer
    cdc has hired 3 successful coaches in his short texas tenure cdc is an excellent coaching evaluator do u only follow texas football? the cdc hires of the track/softball/basbketball coaches have all been tremendously successful & turned their teams around in less than 2 years

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    Urban has been pe ioning for the job. Word is that he attempted to open channels alittle while back. Plus there was his somewhat rousing compliment of the program on live TV in the pregame. He did this once before 10 years ago going out of his way to publicly praise Texas football.
    On top of that, I have no doubt he would love to take Herman's players and do what Herman could not do with them, win the conference with them and make the playoffs (and maybe a NC). And he might be able to do all that.
    But it's unclear if someone with Urban's reputation would ever be considered. I kind of doubt it.
    I think one of the more interesting questions we have to wait to see is whether CDC has full control here, or whether the academic side will interfere again.

    See https://footballscoop.com/news/the-p...o-urban-meyer/

    the new ad at texas leans more towards the football side so he would be ok with the meyer hire
    its time to get rid of the admins at texas who for the past decade have tried to turn texas into ut berkeley
    texas should be a football school first & foremost

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    I like some of this, and some of it sounds like the ATM Sec forum.
    I am 4th generation UT. My Grandfather and father went to UT law school. This does not give me any more or less fandom than you deserve to have, but honest got God this sounds like what my father thinks about Texas ATM.

    The money for likeness stuff was already a blow. Now hiring a lying asshole.
    To win football games. The University is bigger than this. And yes I was dying on Saturday watching that game, I could not even post.
    I threw a workout tantrum on the bike and tried to kill every muscle in my body for 3 hours.

    No Meyer. Please please come up with someone, anyone else.
    BTW was it not Mack Brown that suggested Herman? Royal was better at seeing I guess, find a guy like Royal to advise.

    ATm

    Sherrill
    Franchione
    Jimbo (crablegs- go scream on the table in the student cafeteria to the girlies)
    Sumlin

    Then go play for the SEC.
    Im not joining that group of wannabe soldiers.
    Adios amigos. I hope we find the right guy, cause by default its not Meyer.
    mack brown paid for players & had thugs/criminals on the team stop being a hypocrite

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    Why has Texas been the grave yard for coaches the last decade? Do they forget how to coach when hired by Texas?
    Best guess is too much media and other distractions. Too much pressure by big donors to win.
    For sure something happens Charlie and Tom did not suddenly forget how to coach or did they.

    I know coaching makes a big difference whether at JH, HS JC or big universitiessome just get more out of players.
    Somehow Texas needs to find one of those.Urban is one hire him or crap shoot again.

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    The launch of the Longhorn Network signaled the beginning of the end for the burnt orange nation, imo.

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    texas just lost its top commit to oklahoma the class now sits in the mid 20s with only 1 top 100 player...........no matter the outcome of the season herman cant live this down

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    I like some of this, and some of it sounds like the ATM Sec forum.
    I am 4th generation UT. My Grandfather and father went to UT law school. This does not give me any more or less fandom than you deserve to have, but honest got God this sounds like what my father thinks about Texas ATM.

    The money for likeness stuff was already a blow. Now hiring a lying asshole.
    To win football games. The University is bigger than this. And yes I was dying on Saturday watching that game, I could not even post.
    I threw a workout tantrum on the bike and tried to kill every muscle in my body for 3 hours.

    No Meyer. Please please come up with someone, anyone else.
    BTW was it not Mack Brown that suggested Herman? Royal was better at seeing I guess, find a guy like Royal to advise.

    ATm

    Sherrill
    Franchione
    Jimbo (crablegs- go scream on the table in the student cafeteria to the girlies)
    Sumlin

    Then go play for the SEC.
    Im not joining that group of wannabe soldiers.
    Adios amigos. I hope we find the right guy, cause by default its not Meyer.
    It's interesting, I've been following Texas football since 1977. I was a kid watching Earl, but after that year I was a Texas fan for life. In that time I watched Texas play for 4 National les and lose 3 of them. I saw the wheels fall off in 1984. I saw Mack Brown come in and struggle but eventually get that Natty. I saw Colt get hurt and the fall since. Here is the crazy thing. in 43 seasons of Texas football 28 of them were crap. Yet I'm still here.

    It's pretty sad to say that, but it's true. 28 years is a lot of bad football. Texas deserves a good coach and I don't care who it is, I just want results. I think we can control Meyer.

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    Bowman has decommitted.

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    I don't want meyer either. He is a complete s bag. I can't stand Spurrier, but I would welcome him with open arms if it means keeping meyer out of Austin.

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    The launch of the Longhorn Network signaled the beginning of the end for the burnt orange nation, imo.
    This is absolute nonsense.

  13. #3063
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    Why has Texas been the grave yard for coaches the last decade? Do they forget how to coach when hired by Texas?
    Best guess is too much media and other distractions. Too much pressure by big donors to win.
    For sure something happens Charlie and Tom did not suddenly forget how to coach or did they.
    I know coaching makes a big difference whether at JH, HS JC or big universitiessome just get more out of players.
    Somehow Texas needs to find one of those.Urban is one hire him or crap shoot again.
    We seem to be at our worst when the academic side picks the head coach
    For example, Bill Powers picked Strong
    Bill Cunningham picked Mackovic (over quite a bit of opposition)
    They can probably prevent a Meyer hire if CDC made that choice, but I doubt he will so it seems a moot point. Hopefully the academics stay out of it whatever he decides.
    Meyer has definitely reached out to us through "channels."

    As to Hermann, supposedly he was not Perrin's first choice but the big money from Houston (who had the power at that time) convinced him
    Last edited by Juan Grande; 10-08-2020 at 07:48 AM.

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    It's interesting, I've been following Texas football since 1977. I was a kid watching Earl, but after that year I was a Texas fan for life. In that time I watched Texas play for 4 National les and lose 3 of them. I saw the wheels fall off in 1984. I saw Mack Brown come in and struggle but eventually get that Natty. I saw Colt get hurt and the fall since. Here is the crazy thing. in 43 seasons of Texas football 28 of them were crap. Yet I'm still here.

    It's pretty sad to say that, but it's true. 28 years is a lot of bad football. Texas deserves a good coach and I don't care who it is, I just want results. I think we can control Meyer.
    You are pure fan then and I respect that.
    I was already on the edge ready to step off and let my dad fend for himself and his fandom.
    There is something about rooting for a team you inherited because of your family and then going there that really makes no practical sense which is why we are called fans. I got 2° from that school and the people that I met helped me so much into my current situation.

    logically football does not have to go along with that.
    it’s my defect and I will just have to par ion school and football.
    i’m out with Meyer just like I was with Saban.

    When Herman went ahead with R. Letio and now Moore I sequestered big wtfs? Never felt entirely comfortable. Current college football may make it impossible to please someone like me and that’s tough luck for me. I have a dirty side limit that can’t be defended logically. I think we all do.

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    We seem to be at our worst when the academic side picks the head coach
    For example, Bill Powers picked Strong
    Bill Cunningham picked Mackovic (over quite a bit of opposition)
    They can probably prevent a Meyer hire if CDC made that choice, but I doubt he will so it seems a moot point. Hopefully the academics stay out of it whatever he decides.
    Meyer has definitely reached out to us through "channels."
    As to Hermann, supposedly he was not Perrin's first choice but the big money from Houston (who had the power at that time) convinced him
    Exactly. Going back to when Robert Berdahl was president (at least; maybe further back to Lorene Rogers), the UT administrators have had an obsession with being a Texas version of Stanford or CAL Berkeley where all sports are treated equally (in perception if nothing else) and lesser value than academics. A lot of USC fans are clamoring to go independent since being a peer to Stanford, Berkeley, and Bruin (as well as being in PAC12) means falling further behind while allowing Ducks to do what they want with NIKE money; something has to change or Trojans will develop a culture where football is irrelevant, if it hasnt happened already. The Ivy League decided to drop down to Div2 (FCS) for this exact reason in the late '50s, IIRC

    In the late 1970s, DKR was fighting two battles: 1) he despised all the cheating that was going on, esp by Switzer and knew what it would take to compete in that environment (and, everybody else did too; as a result, the cheating culture went off the charts in the '80s and was instrumental in the downfall of the SWC); 2) on the admin/BOR side, there was a strong contingent that wanted Royal gone as they thought his program was getting too powerful and overshadowing the academic perception that they wanted to achieve. And, people wonder why DKR retired so young (smh)

    In one of my books on UT Longhorn football history, a question was asked to DX Bible that I found intriguing: What did you see in Darrell Royal that made you want to hire him almost immediately with the understanding that Royal's coaching record was quite pedestrian at that point (UW 5-5; two yrs at Miss St w/ 6-4 record ea yr; & stint in CFL, IIRC)? Bible alluded to character & leadership traits more so than past success [paraphrased]. I dont think this is something an academic will be able to determine without help. If you are a good leader, you know it when you see it in others - it's not theoretical - and it's certainly not pandering
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    This is absolute nonsense.
    If you say so. I only said that because it unnecessarily takes time, however small it may be, from Herman's planning for the
    next game. This is especially on a week to week basis. But after a bye week with more time, has Herman ever lost? I think maybe two years against OkieSt was the only time. All I'm saying is he needs as much possible to get the team ready for the next game without compromising his time to Galindo and Way. In fact the only time he should speak to the media would be at his weekly press conference. Furthermore I believe that the network overall contributes to an air of toxicity in the program's iden y and culture. It still leaves a lingering sense of en lement for recruits as well as current players, especially for anyone of them who inserts the phrase "because we're Texas" into their statements. It cost Mack and Charlie their jobs, and now it's happening to Herman. The fact that the burnt orange nation is oblivious to the harmful effects of that network will only continue its existence, if not strengthen it.

    But hey, what do I know? I must be some clueless fan who's been following this team for a short time since 2001. Just my two cents.

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    If you say so. I only said that because it unnecessarily takes time, however small it may be, from Herman's planning for the
    next game. This is especially on a week to week basis. But after a bye week with more time, has Herman ever lost? I think maybe two years against OkieSt was the only time. All I'm saying is he needs as much possible to get the team ready for the next game without compromising his time to Galindo and Way. In fact the only time he should speak to the media would be at his weekly press conference. Furthermore I believe that the network overall contributes to an air of toxicity in the program's iden y and culture. It still leaves a lingering sense of en lement for recruits as well as current players, especially for anyone of them who inserts the phrase "because we're Texas" into their statements. It cost Mack and Charlie their jobs, and now it's happening to Herman. The fact that the burnt orange nation is oblivious to the harmful effects of that network will only continue its existence, if not strengthen it.
    But hey, what do I know? I must be some clueless fan who's been following this team for a short time since 2001. Just my two cents.
    The LHN requirements should not be onerous for a good leader. PR and hobnobbing are at least 50% of the headcoaching job at UT with or without the LHN. If you are a good leader and mentor, then you train your subordinates to replace you (or go get other jobs that are promotions). The OC and DC SHOULD be able to handle the day to day schedule, planning and training necessary once the head coach gives his guidance and criteria for the week. If the head coach has to be there to oversee or get directly involved in every aspect of the program, then he is conducting OJT and not being a good leader. After FOUR years, if Herman hasnt developed a leadership culture where this can occur while he is the PR face of the program (like Mack Brown was), then we are admitting that Herman is in over his head and would also be over his head at Bama, Ohio St, Michigan, USC, etc. If your perception is true (and it may be), then that means Herman is not a good enough leader to be head coach at UT - at least not now.

    As a side note, I would be surprised if any other head coaches arent doing as many coach's shows and interviews as Herman does on the LHN. It's really not that much; it's just a dedicated outlet
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    SIAP...



    Maybe coincidental but interesting that his announcement is during the RRSheetshow... eerrr Shootout

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    The LHN requirements should not be onerous for a good leader. PR and hobnobbing are at least 50% of the headcoaching job at UT with or without the LHN. If you are a good leader and mentor, then you train your subordinates to replace you (or go get other jobs that are promotions). The OC and DC SHOULD be able to handle the day to day schedule, planning and training necessary once the head coach gives his guidance and criteria for the week. If the head coach has to be there to oversee or get directly involved in every aspect of the program, then he is conducting OJT and not being a good leader. After FOUR years, if Herman hasnt developed a leadership culture where this can occur while he is the PR face of the program (like Mack Brown was), then we are admitting that Herman is in over his head and would also be over his head at Bama, Ohio St, Michigan, USC, etc. If your perception is true (and it may be), then that means Herman is not a good enough leader to be head coach at UT - at least not now.

    As a side note, I would be surprised if any other head coaches arent doing as many coach's shows and interviews as Herman does on the LHN. It's really not that much; it's just a dedicated outlet
    So would you think that Urban would fare much better in this program's atmosphere based solely on his experience and track record? If so, it would bring an interesting turn of direction in terms of the university's priorities regarding Urban's past troubles.

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    I belive that Brown complained about LHN taking time away from coaching. A lot of things is wrong including political corectness BS.
    I have no say or control over coaching changes so for a few more years I will live with whateverhap
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    So would you think that Urban would fare much better in this program's atmosphere based solely on his experience and track record? If so, it would bring an interesting turn of direction in terms of the university's priorities regarding Urban's past troubles.
    I'm not a big UM fan and never have been, even when he was HC at Utah (more gimmick than substance, IMO back then). His stint at UF gave his reputation a huge black eye, however, he restored a lot of that at OSU since it wasnt as much player involved. The question is: should coaches be given the opportunity to learn from their mistakes? Should Les Miles be given a second chance at KU? I think so even though I dont like him. Mangino? maybe. Art Briles? probably not (his cheating went all the way back to Stevenville; therefore, it's ingrained and part of his character, IMO. And, the invasive player criminal conduct in the BU program was beyond one player doing something stupid). Even though I dont like Meyer so much, I think he is smart enough to learn from his past mistakes: one being on the player side and the other on the staff side so I'm on the bubble with him. If I were AD, I would take a chance on UM but put serious and specific character clauses in his contract so that he could be fired "with cause" upon any real or perceived misstep that could bring discredit on the University

    To answer you question directly, yes, UM would do much better than Herman based on his experience and "track record" (if by that you mean being retired twice as HC; I believe he is still employed at OSU). It wont happen but TH would benefit being UM's assistant again (or head coach in waiting) to watch and learn how to balance head coaching responsibilities at a high visibility program

    Is it possible that UM was less prepared to go from a G5 HC gig (UU) to a high-vis P5 HC job (UF), than TH was coming from a G5 HC gig (UH) to a high-vis HC job (UT)? Both being about 41 yrs of age at time of getting the high vis job. It's very possible that UM really wants a high-vis job to fix his legacy and be the first to win a championship at three different schools; making him one of the best college football coaches of all time, regardless of opinion. And, Texas is ripe to help UM achieve his legacy goals. In that regard, he could very well be highly conscience of the ramifications to his legacy if he screws up.
    Last edited by soldierhorn; 10-08-2020 at 01:19 PM.

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    I belive that Brown complained about LHN taking time away from coaching. A lot of things is wrong including political corectness BS.
    I have no say or control over coaching changes so for a few more years I will live with whateverhap
    yep, IIRC, Mack was concerned about it before it was fully implemented but later found out it wasnt such a big deal. It's only my opinion but I think by 2011, Mack had half given up on the program knowing that he should have retired after the 2009 season regardless of outcome. there was also movement to force him to retire and anything that made mandates on his time was considered an annoyance and not just the LHN (jmo) The problem with Mack and the LHN was that if he was not putting forth the effort in the program and it seriously underachieves, then any PR is not going to be fun including mandated shows on LHN. Mack Brown enjoyed talking about the 2012 #1 recruiting class but later it wasnt enjoyable to talk about what turned out to be one of the most disappointing and underachieving classes of all time. Texas isnt a place to go and hide (or fly to Florida under the au es of in-home recruiting) when things become difficult
    Last edited by soldierhorn; 10-08-2020 at 10:24 PM.

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    I hate to say it but...

    the game THIS WEEK is likely a MUST WIN for TH.

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    The Longhorn Network was not a great move for us as part of the Big 12. A league network would have brought the schools together, and solidified the conference. IMO, we still have Nebraska, CU, Missouri, and A&M.....we could have still added TCU and West Virginia.

    The league as a whole would get more national exposure and far better recruiting across the board.

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