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    It's why you need zinc and a zinc ionophore.
    Sure, but we don't quite control ionophores right now in a way that allows us to target specific cancers or viruses, otherwise, it would be great news. Not only against covid, but aids and a bunch of other viruses too.

    That's why most of our modern antiviral drug designs target enzymes and/or proteins created by the virus but not humans, and suppresses them so they cannot attach to cells. Viruses cannot replicate on their own, they need to attach to a cell to replicate themselves.

    I'm not a molecular biologist (my older sister is), but go check if what I'm saying is wrong. I'd love we would make a leap in antiviral treatments, but this is what things look like right now.

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    tbh, there's still masks here in stock if anybody needs them:

    https://lollicupstore.com/karat-face...op-50-pcs.html

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    Got my (probably expired) Asian stuff, thanks.


    Meant that to be an edit....

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    Sure, but we don't quite control ionophores right now in a way that allows us to target specific cancers or viruses, otherwise, it would be great news. Not only against covid, but aids and a bunch of other viruses too.

    That's why most of our modern antiviral drug designs target enzymes and/or proteins created by the virus but not humans, and suppresses them so they cannot attach to cells. Viruses cannot replicate on their own, they need to attach to a cell to replicate themselves.

    I'm not a molecular biologist (my older sister is), but go check if what I'm saying is wrong. I'd love we would make a leap in antiviral treatments, but this is what things look like right now.
    Don't know why you keep bringing up AIDS.

    If something very simple severely hindered this virus replication, wouldn't that be a good thing?

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    Apparently letting your glasses air dry after putting them in soapy water cuts down on the fog. Will try it next time I go out.
    Thanks for the tip. I'll try next time.

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    Don't know why you keep bringing up AIDS.

    If something very simple severely hindered this virus replication, wouldn't that be a good thing?
    Because AIDS comes HIV, which also happens to be a virus, and one that happens to be also killed rapidly by zinc in lab tests. Zinc as an antiviral isn't specific to covid, it actually applies to a number of viruses. Same with disinfectants, and even soap.

    The fact that we haven't been able to turn that into neither a strong therapy or a cure for other viruses is what I'm calling attention to. We would need a scientific leap for that to happen (and I hope it happens), but we gotta be honest, we've not been able to do so yet, and for many decades now.

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    Because AIDS comes HIV, which also happens to be a virus, and one that happens to be also killed rapidly by zinc in lab tests. Zinc as an antiviral isn't specific to covid, it actually applies to a number of viruses. Same with disinfectants, and even soap.

    The fact that we haven't been able to turn that into neither a strong therapy or a cure for other viruses is what I'm calling attention to. We would need a scientific leap for that to happen (and I hope it happens), but we gotta be honest, we've not been able to do so yet, and for many decades now.
    For cures.

    HIV is an RNA virus though it's a completely different form of virus that acts differently once in the body.

    I've been following multiples Vaccination programs over years and the issue is really the lack of funding/attention. We need to move at a rapid pace to create vaccinations, but the lack of attention/funding really limits these viruses to trying 1-2 potential vaccines in 4-5 year span. That's just ridiclous.

    The issue is that the biggest pharmacies developed treatments that makes vaccinations economic suicide so its really smaller labs, univeristies that don't have the funding to do their trials in a 2-3 year period.

    Take Korwhat HSV2 for example. Some of the promising vaccines has been on the works for 10 years....

    I'm positive Corona would take less than 3 years to find a vaccine for two reasons

    1. We're skipping clinical phases. Many are doing human testing without even testing the safety of a drug...And that's fine i suppose in time of need
    2. There is no economic loss to any of these big pharma if they do develop a vaccine since there is no treament that generates billions.

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    For cures.

    HIV is an RNA virus though it's a completely different form of virus that acts differently once in the body.

    I've been following multiples Vaccination programs over years and the issue is really the lack of funding/attention. We need to move at a rapid pace to create vaccinations, but the lack of attention/funding really limits these viruses to trying 1-2 potential vaccines in 4-5 year span. That's just ridiclous.

    The issue is that the biggest pharmacies developed treatments that makes vaccinations economic suicide so its really smaller labs, univeristies that don't have the funding to do their trials in a 2-3 year period.

    Take Korwhat HSV2 for example. Some of the promising vaccines has been on the works for 10 years....

    I'm positive Corona would take less than 3 years to find a vaccine for two reasons

    1. We're skipping clinical phases. Many are doing human testing without even testing the safety of a drug...And that's fine i suppose in time of need
    2. There is no economic loss to any of these big pharma if they do develop a vaccine since there is no treament that generates billions.
    Don't disagree, but we also have to add that part of the disincentive is that the virus mutates over time, and the current approach does show some limitations in dealing with that. Once the virus stopped producing the enzyme you were targeting, you have to start all over again.

    That's why there's plenty of research on alternative means to actually target viruses or even tumors. Lots of promising stuff with genetic engineering, but not quite there yet for mainstream adoption.

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    ^the blue state thingy

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    ^the blue state thingy
    Her nurse friend says it's totes murder but doesn't want to actually stop it lest she lose her sweet NY job.

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    Chris if you want to play that game, why isn’t Texas releasing their nursing home numbers? I’m sure everything is fine. Open up baby.

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    The world's largest vaccine maker is producing 40 million units of a coronavirus vaccine on trial in Oxford, without yet knowing if it works

    https://www.businessinsider.com/indi...pproval-2020-4

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    found Chris

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    Trump s gonna stop us from herd immunity even when we have a vaccine

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    Trump s gonna stop us from herd immunity even when we have a vaccine
    herd immunity is achieved by 90%+ vaccination, NOT by 90%+ infection.

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    Sweeden claims it will have herd immunity by the end of may. Meanwhile new zeland claims they have defeated covid

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    Sweeden claims it will have herd immunity by the end of may. Meanwhile new zeland claims they have defeated covid
    Pence says we’ll have this covid nonsense all behind us by Memorial Day.

    Bossin”

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    Sweeden claims it will have herd immunity by the end of may. Meanwhile new zeland claims they have defeated covid
    to achieve herd immunity for Sweden's 10M herd, at very least 30% must be infected, but Sweden has less than 20K cases.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

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    What I’ve Learned Treating Patients Suffering From COVID-19

    This disease is like nothing I have ever seen in my career

    a critical care medicine specialist,

    I am used to seeing the sickest of the sick.

    I am used to seeing patients with respiratory failure.

    I am used to seeing patients in shock.

    I am used to seeing patients gasping for air, with dangerously low oxygen levels.

    I am used to seeing patients in kidney failure.

    Never, however, have I seen patients as sick as those with COVID-19.

    https://medium.com/@drhassaballa/what-ive-learned-treating-patients-suffering-from-covid-19-41adc282e973



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    Sweeden claims it will have herd immunity by the end of may. Meanwhile new zeland claims they have defeated covid
    NZ is barely moving to level 3 lockdown. (basically similar to US lockdown) they will stay at level 3 for a while

    so no they have not defeated anything

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    And a lot of the Chinese "protective gear" everyone is buying sucks...

    Even by the Chinese government’s own numbers, they’re producing jaw-dropping quan ies of medical equipment that aren’t up to the right standards: “As of last Friday, China’s market regulators had inspected nearly 16 million businesses and seized more than 89 million masks and 418,000 pieces of protective gear, said Ms Gan Lin, deputy director of the State Administration of Market Regulation, at a press briefing.”

    And that’s just the stuff they’re catching before it goes out the door.

    Almost every country that is dealing with the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak has ordered masks, tests, or personal protective equipment from China, only to open the boxes and find that the deliveries are unusable. In some cases, the equipment was distributed and used before the poor quality was discovered — offering false protection to medical personnel and exacerbating the spread of the virus instead of mitigating it.

    Let’s begin closest to home, in Missouri: “Approximately 48,000 KN95 masks that were distributed to Missouri’s first responders are being recalled. The Missouri State Emergency Management Agency said it is recalling approximately 48,000 KN95 masks that ‘do not meet standards.’ SEMA said the recalled masks may bear the names ‘Huabai,’ ‘SANQUI,’ or be unmarked, with Chinese characters on the cellophane packaging, or other names.”

    Spin a globe, point your finger, and when the globe stops, there’s a good chance it will reach a country that received defective equipment when it needed functioning gear and tests the most.

    India tested nearly a half a million people before they realized that they can’t be certain that the tests they had obtained from China aren’t giving accurate results:

    According to the sources, teams cons uted by ICMR are analysing the rapid antibody test kits, procured from two Chinese firms, to check their efficacy after some states reported that they are faulty and giving inaccurate results.

    The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) on Tuesday had advised states to stop using the rapid antibody test kits for the next two days after it received complaints from states that they are not fully effective.

    “We have received complaint from one state and so far discussed the issue with three states. High variations ranging from 6 to 71 percent have been reported between the results of the rapid tests and RT-PCR tests. We will advise states not to use these testing kits for the next two days,” Dr Raman R Gangakhedkar, head of epidemiology and communicable diseases at the ICMR.

    Spain has all kinds of horror stories, one of which is finding that a huge batch of tests was faulty — a batch that was sent to replace a previous shipment of faulty tests:

    The Spanish government is trying to get back the money it paid for 640,000 antigen coronavirus tests that it purchased via a Spanish distributor from a Chinese company called Bioeasy. The move comes after the health authorities found that the kits – which were meant to replace another lot that was found to be faulty – don’t work either. As happened the first time around, these tests do not have the sensitivity required to detect the virus, meaning that there is a high chance that they won’t detect the coronavirus in a person who has been infected.

    Spain had distributed 180,000 tests to be used on health-care workers and the elderly living in nursing homes . . . before finding out the error rate was so high, the test results were meaningless.

    The Spanish Health Ministry had to recall more than 350,000 defective masks.

    After the defective masks were discovered, more than 100 health workers were forced to go into isolation as the pandemic raged through the country.

    The General Hospital of Alicante, Spain found roaches in a shipment of protective gowns.

    Belgium: “The University Hospital of Leuven (UZ Leuven) refused a shipment of 3,000 masks from China because the equipment was not reliable enough, Herman Devrieze, head of the prevention department at UZ Leuven, told local TV station ROBtv on Sunday evening.”

    In the Netherlands:

    The Dutch government has ordered a recall of around 600,000 masks out of a shipment of 1.3 million from China after they failed to meet quality standards. The defective masks had already been distributed to several hospitals currently battling the COVID-19 outbreak, news agency AFP and Dutch media reported. The Dutch Health Ministry has kept the rest of the shipment on hold.

    An inspection revealed that the FFP2 masks did not protect the face properly or had defective filter membranes. The fine filters stop the virus from entering the mouth or nose. The masks failed more than one inspection.

    “A second test also revealed that the masks did not meet the quality norms. Now it has been decided not to use any of this shipment,” said the Health Ministry said in a statement to news agency AFP.

    In Austria, more masks that aren’t so protective: “A large delivery of FFP2 and FFP3 protective masks destined for South Tyrol, which were procured from China with the help of a sporting goods manufacturer and which were first transported to Vienna-Schwechat with an AUA machine, cannot be used . . . The Red Cross was taken aback during a visual inspection of the masks because gaps were visible in the area of ​​the cheeks.” The order was for 500,000 masks.

    United Kingdom: “Found to be insufficiently accurate by a laboratory at Oxford University, half a million of the tests are now gathering dust in storage. Another 1.5 million bought at a similar price from other sources have also gone unused. The fiasco has left embarrassed British officials scrambling to get back at least some of the money.”

    The Czech Republic: Doctors found an error rate of up to 80 percent in the tests they received from China. “Health-care authorities and some government members said the 300,000 quick tests purchased by the state only worked if patients had been infected for at least five days.”

    Turkey: “Turkish Health Minister Fahrettin Koca confirmed later on Friday that Turkey had tried some rapid antigen tests arrived from China, but authorities ‘weren’t happy about them . . . We didn’t release them for public use.’ Koca also said that Turkey had received a different and viable testing kits that are based on antibodies from China. ‘We have 350,000 of them now,’ he said. A member of the Turkish health ministry special science board on coronavirus said that the batch of testing kits were only 30 to 35 percent accurate.”

    Slovakia: “The 1.2 million Chinese antibody tests that the Slovak government bought from local middlemen for 15 million euros ($16 million) are inaccurate and unable to detect COVID-19 in its early stages, according to Prime Minister Igor Matovic, who only took office last month. ‘We have a ton and no use for them,’ he said. They should ‘just be thrown straight into the Danube.’”

    Canada: “The Canadian government says about one million of the face masks it has purchased from China have failed to meet proper standards for health care professionals and will not be distributed to provinces or cities . . . [Separately], the City of Toronto announced in early April it was recalling more than 60,000 faulty surgical masks made in China and provided to staff at long-term care facilities, and is investigating whether caregivers were exposed to COVID-19 while wearing the equipment. The masks were distributed and then recalled after reports of ripping and tearing.”

    Australia: “The ABC has learnt that in recent weeks, Australian Border Force (ABF) officers have intercepted several deliveries of personal protective equipment (PPE) that have been found to be counterfeit or otherwise faulty. One law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, estimated the ABF had already seized 800,000 masks with a combined value of more than $1.2 million on the Australian market.”

    The government of Georgia — the nation, not the state between South Carolina and Florida — canceled a contract for up to 200,000 rapid tests after concluding they weren’t reliable.

    Finland found two million masks ordered from China were unusable, and the head of the country’s emergency supply agency resigned. That country ordered its masks from “a payday lender and reality TV star” in China.

    Nepal determined that the 75,000 rapid diagnostic tests they had ordered from China were so faulty they were unusable.

    Finally, one Pakistani news channel says that hospitals in that country opened up boxes of masks from China, only to find they had been made out of . . . underwear.

    Add up all of these accounts and you get 10,276,000 faulty tests, masks, and pieces of personal protective equipment. And these are just the ones we know about. The stuff that was visibly unusable right out of the box, while frustrating, is the least damaging. It’s the tests that showed negative when they were positive and the non-protective masks given out to health-care workers that are catastrophic.

    On March 30, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunyin contended that the coverage of the faulty equipment was driven by political agendas. “Our sincerity and assistance is real. If problems occur in this process, the Chinese side will talk to relevant departments. Problems should be properly solved based on facts, not political interpretations.”

    On January 23, China stopped all public transportation in Wuhan and all outbound flights. On February 3, China’s civil aviation authority urged domestic carriers to continue flying international routes. The country knew they had an outbreak of a contagious disease but made sure its citizens were still traveling the world.

    Then, as the outbreak accelerated, China was there to sell the suffering countries medical equipment — “demanding yes-or-no decisions from buyers with full payment upfront in as little as 24 hours.”

    In the Wall Street Journal, Spanish writer Jorge González-Gallarza Hernández thinks it is time for countries to ban imports of medical equipment from China, arguing that the complete lack of quality control makes their exports a menace to public health: “Because no other country matches China in the sale of defective equipment — and at a time when Beijing boasts about recovering from Covid-19 — countries facing steep contagion curves should err on the side of caution and look for the best equipment elsewhere. For all Beijing’s lofty talk of wanting to help the world, it has no export-restriction system to prevent the foreign sale of shoddy equipment.”

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    further mutation might be in the works

    more and more children falling sick


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    " countries facing steep contagion curves should err on the side of caution and look for the best equipment elsewhere. "

    look where?

    who is producing quality PPE in the needed quan ies?

    Had Trash and his mafiya inventoried PPE in USA in January with Americans at WHO and the military warned about the pandemic to hit USA, and found quality PPE lacking, he could have used DPA to order companies to produce PPE.

    Trash also refused 60K C19 tests from WHO then the Trash CDC produced a bunch of tests

    Trash OWNS the Trash Pandemic

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    herd immunity is achieved by 90%+ vaccination, NOT by 90%+ infection.
    Yeah we'll have 60-70% who decide to vaccinate once it's available.

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