Anti-vax morons dying from COVID thread.

[vy65]

its not a doctor's job to refuse service to patients based on their political hypocrisy

It should be. The need to hospitalize an anti-vaxxer for COVID is a problem -- which endangers others and is hurting the economy, again -- is entirely of their own doing. Emphasizing a creed from several millenia ago that didn't envision this scenario (or this stupidity) is extremely counterproductive. It's the same logic behind NRA nuts who jerk off to the 2nd amendment or state's rights morons who don't realize what the 14th amendment means.

[Trill Clinton]

I didn’t say it’s only conservatives dying and you’re right minorities are anti-vaxxers to ( muh Tuskegee Experiment ), but I’m not celebrating the death of blacks and Hispanics. Just conservatives

The black people who are anti-vax have no knowledge of the Tuskegee experiments. Most of the black people who haven't been vaccinated are either poor and don't have access to getting the vaccine. Then you have the "new blacks" who identify with conservatives and parrot the conservative talking points.

[Will Hunting]

Seriously though hater does have a point, only 25% of black Americans are vaccinated. Why does the media let their stupidity off the hook and only focus on white conservatives?

[Will Hunting]

The black people who are anti-vax have no knowledge of the Tuskegee experiments. Most of the black people who haven't been vaccinated are either poor and don't have access to getting the vaccine. Then you have the "new blacks" who identify with conservatives and parrot the conservative talking points.

1) The vaccine is free, so being poor isn’t an excuse.

2) Where in this country does one not have access to the vaccine? It’s in every state, rich areas an poor areas.

[Frenchfred]

It will be interesting when republicans lose the elections because too many of them would have died of covid.

[Will Hunting]

Most importantly, where are the black and Hispanic pastors, community leaders, politicians, etc. trying to rally their communities to get vaccinated? Jim Clyburn spent 3 days up in Ohio for a primary election that didn’t even matter since the seat is deep blue, why wouldn’t he go back to his district instead to get his cons uents vaccinated?

[spurraider21]

It should be. The need to hospitalize an anti-vaxxer for COVID is a problem -- which endangers others and is hurting the economy, again -- is entirely of their own doing. Emphasizing a creed from several millenia ago that didn't envision this scenario (or this stupidity) is extremely counterproductive. It's the same logic behind NRA nuts who jerk off to the 2nd amendment or state's rights morons who don't realize what the 14th amendment means.

opens up a ridiculous precedent... southern doctor refusing to treat a woman who is having complications following an abortion, etc

imo this is nutty vindictive thinking

[RandomGuy]

Saying hospitals should deny them care isn’t about just being a to anti-vaxxers, it’s about our healthcare system not collapsing and ensuring hospitals have an open bed for the guy who’s having a stroke. There’s already been several recent non-COVID deaths in hospitals caused by the lack of staffing/availability to provide care. It’s not the same thing as a year ago, these people shouldn’t be allowed to fill up our hospital beds for what was easily preventable.

Exactly. Their ability to swing the arms of their own stupidity stops at my nose.

If I die from treatable injuries in a car wreck, because these stupid s filled up the local hospital, and the ambulance had to drive an extra 30 miles, then their stupidity has wider consequences, and I have paid the price for their intransigence.

That absolutely gives me a say in their ing healthcare decisions.

[spurraider21]

The black people who are anti-vax have no knowledge of the Tuskegee experiments. Most of the black people who haven't been vaccinated are either poor and don't have access to getting the vaccine. Then you have the "new blacks" who identify with conservatives and parrot the conservative talking points.

black conservatives are a small fraction of the black population. the vaccine is free and you can get them on weekends almost anywhere.

[ducks]

People died before covid

[spurraider21]

Exactly. Their ability to swing the arms of their own stupidity stops at my nose.

If I die from treatable injuries in a car wreck, because these stupid s filled up the local hospital, and the ambulance had to drive an extra 30 miles, then their stupidity has wider consequences, and I have paid the price for their intransigence.

should doctors be able to refuse to treat serious injuries someone suffered in a car accident if the patient was a drunk driver? imo there's no way you guys actually believe this principle but are just being spiteful/vindictive

[RandomGuy]

opens up a ridiculous precedent... southern doctor refusing to treat a woman who is having complications following an abortion, etc

imo this is nutty vindictive thinking

Triage and ultimately rationing care are absolutely within precedent though. I am for refusing care for COVID once you start approaching capacity at ICUs and acute care, to save otherwise preventable deaths. "go somewhere else".

They have contingency plans for just that at all pandemic responses.

[Will Hunting]

Poor people don't know it's free. Lack of transportation. Whats the rate of young vs old black people?

They don’t know because they haven’t bothered to check because they’re intentionally looking for ways to confirm their bias against the vaccine and don’t want to be confronted with facts they can’t defend.. This is why defending anti-vaxxers is so stupid, you’re blindly giving them the benefit of the doubt just for the sake of it.

Also GMAFB with “lack of transportation.” Are you saying they literally don’t have the means to leave their house and go to CVS? When they need to buy toothpaste, how does that work?

[RandomGuy]

should doctors be able to refuse to treat serious injuries someone suffered in a car accident if the patient was a drunk driver? imo there's no way you guys actually believe this principle but are just being spiteful/vindictive

Not quite what I believe though. See above.

[spurraider21]

Triage and ultimately rationing care are absolutely within precedent though. I am for refusing care for COVID once you start approaching capacity at ICUs and acute care, to save otherwise preventable deaths. "go somewhere else".

They have contingency plans for just that at all pandemic responses.

ok so you send the sick contagious people home and they continue spreading it. great solution!

[RandomGuy]

People died before covid

classic ducks.

[boutons_deux]

the medical bills to unvaxxed assholes very probably exceed their ability to pay and may not be fully covered by insurance.

So the medical costs by rabidly anti-socialist assholes will be socialized.

Insurance premiums hiked for the entire insurance pool, taxpayer $100Ms down the drain.

[RandomGuy]

ok so you send the sick contagious people home and they continue spreading it. great solution!

Bit of a stretch. if the hospital reaches capacity that is happening anyway.

"ok so you send someone bleeding to death from internal injuries home and they just die there. great solution"

is the obvious rejoinder.

Of course you send COVID patients somewhere else. All I am saying is reserve the last sliver of ICU acute care for non-COVID emergencies.

[Will Hunting]

The “You can’t get mad at them you have to be thoughtful and listen to their concerns and reasons why they aren’t vaccinated” Democuck is quite frankly more insufferable than the anti-vaxxer conservative. Its trying to manufacture good faith concern when their isn’t any. Being an anti-vaxxer is ultimately rooted in just being a contrarian who wants to tell everyone their wrong and he’s right. There’s no good faith concern about the vaccine for people who aren’t immunocompromised, it’s been insanely effective so far and was a medical miracle. By far the best achievement of Trump’s presidency.

[RandomGuy]

the medical bills to unvaxxed assholes very probably exceed their ability to pay and may not be fully covered by insurance.

So the medical costs by rabidly anti-socialist assholes will be socialized.

Insurance premiums hiked for the entire insurance pool, taxpayer $100Ms down the drain.

Solid take.

We will be paying higher insurance premiums for all these wits.

[spurraider21]

Bit of a stretch. if the hospital reaches capacity that is happening anyway.

"ok so you send someone bleeding to death from internal injuries home and they just die there. great solution"

is the obvious rejoinder.

Of course you send COVID patients somewhere else. All I am saying is reserve the last sliver of ICU acute care for non-COVID emergencies.

how many people dying of internal injuries have been sent home to die as a result of covid?

if it was really getting that dire, i'd be in favor of state or federal intervention. send in the cavalry. send in FEMA. but you dont just send people home to die, this is bonkers

[vy65]

its not a doctor's job to refuse service to patients based on their political hypocrisy

It should be. The need to hospitalize an anti-vaxxer for COVID is a problem -- which endangers others and is hurting the economy, again -- is entirely of their own doing. Emphasizing a creed from several millenia ago that didn't envision this scenario (or this stupidity) is extremely counterproductive. It's the same logic behind NRA nuts who jerk off to the 2nd amendment or state's rights morons who don't realize what the 14th amendment means.

[Will Hunting]

Refusing service to anti-vaxxers isn’t about political hypocrisy, it’s about contributory negligence and intentional self harm.

[RandomGuy]

The “You can’t get mad at them you have to be thoughtful and listen to their concerns and reasons why they aren’t vaccinated” Democuck is quite frankly more insufferable than the anti-vaxxer conservative. Its trying to manufacture good faith concern when their isn’t any. Being an anti-vaxxer is ultimately rooted in just being a contrarian who wants to tell everyone their wrong and he’s right. There’s no good faith concern about the vaccine for people who aren’t immunocompromised, it’s been insanely effective so far and was a medical miracle. By far the best achievement of Trump’s presidency.

Eyup.

I have come to realize that there are vast swaths of the population for whom good-faith arguments are pointless.

[Will Hunting]

Eyup.

I have come to realize that there are vast swaths of the population for whom good-faith arguments are pointless.

Treating them nicely and pretending their “concerns” about the vaccine (that they’re usually doing all to actually investigate and talk to a doctor about) are valid is literally the worst thing you can do. You’re giving them the attention they’re seeking as hipster anti-vaxxer guy. The best way to get them vaccinated is to say “get the out of my restaurant you selfish piece of . Come back when you grow up and stop doing edgy just to get attention.”