Shams: Spurs Sending DeMar DeRozan to Chicago for Thad Young, a Future FRP, & 2 SRP’s

[baseline bum]

I don't give a about you or your beliefs.

But this pissing and moaning for giving a shot at a good player with a contact less than league average.

Like literally dude I don't care how stupid you are. You're just one of several dozen of the stupidest people I've seen in one place since the last Trump rally.

You know, when you think everyone is an asshole it's usually you you son of a . I'm in.

[ElNono]

I don't thing it's an ideal world. McDermott and Young can easily become veteran leaders in the locker room without disrupting the emerging leadership of the young players. By all accounts they are both highly professional and will regarded. Except the geniuses on this board seem to think that's a bad thing.

Nah, it's bittersweet because I'm pretty sure everyone wanted the old vets out, but the other FA deals are pretty pathetic and once more displays that this FO doesn't appear to have any sense of direction.

I'm good with flipping DDR for Young and picks. I think they whiffed everything else, especially Zollins and that lottery pick (I'm not down on Primo, but I think he could've been had lower).

[MI21]

I don't give a about you or your beliefs.

But this pissing and moaning for giving a shot at a good player with a contact less than league average.

Like literally dude I don't care how stupid you are. You're just one of several dozen of the stupidest people I've seen in one place since the last Trump rally.

I'm not here to get into a back and forth, but I've seen a few people saying this. In what world has Zach Collins proven he is a good, let alone league average NBA player? Honestly. He's the type of guy that gets a clap for doing something positive because it's such a surprise.

[BWS-1994]

Could absolutely see Pop playing Young/Aminu/McDip 30 mins a game tbh. On the bright side it'll mean more losses.

Probably to drive up value before trade deadline? Either way, more losses for top 5 pick at least sounds interesting.

[BWS-1994]

Hypothetical: Maybe John Collins saw the direction the Spurs are heading and the roster they have and didn’t want to join the tank/ rebuild?

[DPG21920]

Probably sign a couple vets to one-year deals. But, instead, the Spurs essentially did that with Young and Aminu ... and got a first round pick that has about a 99% chance of conveying

Really hoping that once this gets all finalized this deal expands and Thad is re-routed somewhere for a pick + younger player.

[Robz4000]

You know, when you think everyone is an asshole it's usually you you son of a . I'm in.

You son of a . I'm in.

[Chinook]

Blowing up this team would have been remarkably dumb. They'd spend years just to get back to where they are now. Usually you're pretty bright, but blowing up and tanking is absolutely not the way to go. Instead they jettisoned their old vets and are retooling to let the youth grow into the players they could become.

I'm not a tanker. But the core that is rotting the team is the cleaving to medicore young players, not having vets who instantly got good contracts as soon as they were available.

[Ocotillo]

Unlike the Spurs, Chicago is not afraid to tank though. If it doesn't work out, they'll start flipping DDR and anything of value for picks, win 6 games for a couple of seasons and see what the market looks like then.

Why would they tank when they have traded away their near term draft picks?

[acoelho1]

1) Not really good. By many measurements, Gay or DeRozan were one of the best players on the team last year. ST is extremely toxic to the team's players, but the team losing its best player isn't a good thing, no matter how much this forum hated them.

Fine but we are never going to know what we have with DDR, Mills & Gay dominating the ball. You can’t have it both ways where you want them to blow it up and then complain when they let the vets walk. I’m willing to bet you will see a better version of the Spurs this year and a clearer path forward into the future. This is an A+ outcome any which way you see unless you are arguing that the Spurs should have ran it back one more time which no one wants.

3) Not bad, but uncreative. The Spurs needed to blow up their roster -- not just the old parts. This signing is a major investment in the young players, and that's a bad direction to go. Rebuilding or reloading, they have to cull their flock, not just keep trying to force the knot to get tighter.

Again, no huge investment and he’s a solid pro that brings shooting & spacing to the team. His signing will hardly impact the overall success of this team and the ancillary benefits outweigh any negatives in my view.

4) Horrible.

Definitely the most questionable of the moves but if he can remain healthy, it’s a solid pickup. Time will tell.

Overall a bad free agency period. I now basically have no faith in the Spurs to figure out their way through their valley they're in. There are more than two "lanes" they could be in, but they are picking a horrible one right now. Just doing the DeRozan trade and taking Favors would've been a far superior strategy, John Collins or no .

You are all over the place and there’s no realistic move that would have us in any better position than where we currently stand. Just as a reminder, we are in this position because Leonard didn’t want to be a Spur anymore and it’s had a huge impact in terms of recovering from losing a top 5 player. We are finally getting out of that messy divorce by trading DDR. As I said, this year will be the most important since that KL trade and I feel very confident that people will feel a lot better about this roster going forward.

[CGD]

— Thad, Aminu, and Doug (once tradable) are very flipable come the trade deadline. Like some combination of those two could be ballast in a Wiggins + assets trade.

— Essentially Spurs rolled over a good chunk of their cap flexibility (depending on a Lonnie extension) for next year, which I hope is better talent wise than this turd sandwich.

— The rebuild is being fully embraced. I suspect this means a paradigm shift when it comes to the trade market too.

[SAGirl]

Larry Hawley @HawleySports
Jun 24
Thaddeus Young's extra effort when he's on the court has earned him an honor from the NBA for his 2021-2022 season. More on the Hustle Award win at @WGNNews. wgntv.com/sports/bulls/b…



NBA.com/Stats @nbastats
Jun 23
Bulls' Thaddeus Young wins 2020-21 NBA Hustle Award Bulls forward Thaddeus Young led all NBA players in charges drawn and offensive loose balls recovered on a per-minute basis. (via @brian_martin) app.link.nba.com/e/hustleaward



Pippen Ain't Easy BULLsBeatBlog
Jun 2
Thaddeus Young is one of only a handful of players since the merger that has registered at least a 25.0 REB%, 14.0 AST%, 2.0 STL%, and 2.0 BLK% in the same season. He also did that in the fewest amount of starts of any of the players on this list.

I think Pop will love him. I don’t see him getting flipped bc the Spurs will like him enough. In fact I dare say he was a specific demand from the FO in exchange for Derozan. I don’t think the Bulls wanted to give him up. They likely wanted to give up Lauri.

We must acknowledge that this was a request from the Spurs.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Regardless of the return for DeMar, this gives our young guys a better opportunity to flourish regardless of our record this year I’m excited to finally see these young guys just go out there and play. Don’t have to worry about Bryn, Marco, Rudy, DeMar, Patty and probably some more that I’m missing take minutes away from the future of this team. I’m excited as for this season tbh.

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs would be smart to try and flip Young/Aminu to a contender for a 1st, and call Philly back up and see if they're willing to renegotiate tbh

[tbdog]

Aminu is done as a player. 10mil and he avg like 2ppg. Like he is done.

On other news, how about schrolder. The guy rejected 20mil and has gotten nothing.

[ElNono]

Why would they tank when they have traded away their near term draft picks?

We're talking about a hypothetical case where DDR doesn't pan out for them. Much easier to do a fire sale in Chicago.

[Fusternino]

Aminu injures truly career-ending, then? Remember he was the ideal combo forward summer of 2019.

[R. DeMurre]

Aminu is done as a player. 10mil and he avg like 2ppg. Like he is done.

On other news, how about schrolder. The guy rejected 20mil and has gotten nothing.

I don't know the exact details of his injury, but he seems to be in the same boat as Z Collins... It's unfortunate for him, because he had the best season of his career in 2019 with Portland, and has never been the same since his meniscus surgery.

[SAGirl]

Zollins and Aminu are cooked.

[Sugus]

man you so tiring, you talk about his contract and that it will embarass spurs cap space next year.

They will easily find a trade partner imo if they want some cap for mc dermott next year, that's just my take. Contenders value that kind of player for the spacing.

For a guy who is talking about rebuild months ago, you have some strange opinions.

I'm so glad this isn't a me-only problem

Agree with this. McD is not only not overpaid, he'ss easily moved if need be - matter of fact, having somewhat sizeable contracts that are expendable can be great for teams, since you can match incoming salary with said contract and bring in players of interest that you couldn't if you only had disposable rookie scale contracts and not enough cap space to absorb the incoming salary. Not to mention he's a shooter, in his prime, plays a position where shooting is demanded, in a league where shooting has never been more valuable than right now. No way Spurs are "stuck" with him, unless they want to be.

no one is trading for McDermott at $14mil/year

Nobody's trading for him mainly because the Spurs aren't a hot commodity market, tbh, other teams know they just gotta wait out a players' contract and can get them for much less than we (have to) pay them to get them in the first place. Anyhow, it's equally as likely that a team wants McD outright (yes, at that price, he's not overpaid, ST is just 3-4 years behind in understanding the new deal $ landscape), or that a team seeks McD and his salary as part of a bigger trade where the Spurs get a similarly-sized contract. Those happen all the time, too....

...though I'm still not fully sold on Wright's ability to create such a deal in the first place, tbh

[Sugus]

Again, McDermott has no trade value at $14mil/season. If he was expiring, sure, but a contender isn't gonna take on that extra salary for a net-negative player.

Bruh what? I swear y'all make up the weirdest to on the Spurs lmao..... McD posted a positive 3.8WS last season, positive VORP, positive metrics across the board. Talk about a strawman just to say he'll have no trade value lmfao

[Mr. Body]

I'm not here to get into a back and forth, but I've seen a few people saying this. In what world has Zach Collins proven he is a good, let alone league average NBA player? Honestly. He's the type of guy that gets a clap for doing something positive because it's such a surprise.

Are you ing serious? Jesus Christ, just stop watching basketball. Just go back to the playground.

[Sugus]

I don't get all the negativity. This offseason has been as good as I could have hoped for given the cir stances.

1. DeRozan, Mills & Gay (OUT) - I would have been happy for DDR to walk for nothing and the fact that we got something is a big win. DDR's game is simply too flawed otherwise there would have been other contenders trying to do a sign and trade.

2. Primo & Wieskamp (DRAFT) - 2 solid shooters with versatility. People wanted the Spurs to take a swing on an upside player so here you go. Just because it's not the player you wanted, don't complain about it now. I trust the Spurs talent evaluators and they have shown to find gems in most draft years. I'm pretty excited about Primo after reading and watching more videos about him as person and player.

3. McDermott (FA) - He is not going to move the needle on bringing us to contention so let's not overreact. He's there to space the floor and he's a good cutter and more importantly, he doesn't need the ball to be effective. Who cares about his age?? He's not a longterm solution and is there to be another outside threat so our younger guys can have more breathing room in the lane for drives.

4. Collins (FA) - I haven't been following collins but he was top 10 pick and he's a more modern big than what we currently have on the roster. The salary seems high based on the injury history but I assume the Spur did their due diligence. Could it go bad sure but again, taking a swing on a player they like is ok with me and he's only 23.

Finally, we just need one of these guys to get to an all star level for the Spurs to be back in business. I think it's almost a certainty that it will occur based on what I've seen. I remember the majority of the folks on here saying Leonard could never be a number 1 option offensively and were wrong in every way about his game. Therefore, be patient and trust the process. I think we'll know a lot more about this team this year without DDR & Mills dominating the ball.

I'm locking you and DPG21920 in a cage, whoever gets out first can decide how the off-season went for the Spurs

[Robz4000]

Bruh what? I swear y'all make up the weirdest to on the Spurs lmao..... McD posted a positive 3.8WS last season, positive VORP, positive metrics across the board. Talk about a strawman just to say he'll have no trade value lmfao

OffRtg: 110.5
DefRtg: 112.3
NetRtg: -1.8

[MI21]

Are you ing serious? Jesus Christ, just stop watching basketball. Just go back to the playground.

Very angry and pointed response, seems a bit extreme. Just asking a question - what exactly has he proven to demonstrate he is a good player because I'm not seeing any evidence of it.

Hope all is OK with you.