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    I don't think the #10 pick is better than Murray, especially considering that the salary is a wash and Bledsoe is trash. I wouldn't count on Bledsoe to back up anyone, his career is shattered and he's done.

    Maybe if it was Murray into capspace or an exception for 10 I could get on board, but Bledsoe is such negative salary that the Spurs would be doing them a favor.

    And there's probably going to be someone i like at 10, and a good chance no one I like left at 12. But I just don't see the juice as worth the squeeze. Maybe if they threw in some good seconds and one of their many future firsts. Because as it is they'd be turning their #10 into a ready to go starter while getting off the tirefire of Bledsoe. Too good a deal for them.
    The point of trading is to make the team better. Even though Murray may be better than 10, if 10 balances the team better the team will improve.

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    Say;
    Murray > Bledsoe, but

    Murray ? Bledsoe + Giddey or Sengun

    plus we have #12

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    Say;
    Murray > Bledsoe, but

    Murray ? Bledsoe + Giddey or Sengun

    plus we have #12
    depends on what you do with bledsoe, if he is just a salary in this trade that's pretty bad.

    Then it will be Giddey or Sengun for Murray and you have a 3 years contract of an average bledsoe...

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    The point of trading is to make the team better. Even though Murray may be better than 10, if 10 balances the team better the team will improve.

    you don't improve the team level by trading murray for a 10 pick imo and this team needs talent. maybe you're right, the team chemistry could be better but the team still average.

    I will use Murray for a more sure thing.

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    depends on what you do with bledsoe, if he is just a salary in this trade that's pretty bad.

    Then it will be Giddey or Sengun for Murray and you have a 3 years contract of an average bledsoe...
    1 year for Bledsoe then a partial guarantee in year 2.

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    I think they’re still a few years away from doing trades for asset building. I think they’re still trying to build/maintain a family environment with their players. So DDR will likely either walk or we resign him. Hopefully, he walks. But if his market is dry, then that actually increases the chances of us resigning him if the price is something the FO likes. Hopefully not.

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    1 year for Bledsoe then a partial guarantee in year 2.

    thanks mo

    that doe'not change my point, if bledsoe is just a salary that's a bad deal for me.
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    That Bledsoe contract is pretty nasty.
    Hmm, not sure it’s THAT nasty. Looks to be 18M next year and about the same following year but only partially guaranteed.

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    Bledsoe’s partial guarantee for 2022-23 is only $3.9M.

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    I don't see the rationale in not accepting a Murray for Bledsoe and 10 swap if you are willing to deal DJM at all. It's basically salary neutral, so it doesn't prevent a Collins signing or any other use of cap space. Bledsoe can back up White for a year. With both of their injury histories, it might make sense to bring in a bigger PG who might be able to fill in SG minutes if those become available, or the team might see a PG at 10 or 12 they'd want to develop. Or if the team decides to bring DeRozan back and stay over the cap, they'll have the ball-handling the team needs to survive with PGs with shaky health. Obviously, if the Spurs don't like multiple players in the 10-12 range, that diminishes the value of a pick. But considering how much value they were able to add to their 29th pick from 2016, maybe in a couple of years time, they'll have something even more valuable from the 10th pick in 2021.
    I agree with this. Murray + cap space relief for Bledsoe’s contract and 10 is a no brainer to me.

    I suspect Bledsoe may even have some value at the trade deadline, and perhaps his agent will be motivated in trying to get him out of SA to help that along.

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    I don't think the #10 pick is better than Murray, especially considering that the salary is a wash and Bledsoe is trash. I wouldn't count on Bledsoe to back up anyone, his career is shattered and he's done.

    Maybe if it was Murray into capspace or an exception for 10 I could get on board, but Bledsoe is such negative salary that the Spurs would be doing them a favor.

    And there's probably going to be someone i like at 10, and a good chance no one I like left at 12. But I just don't see the juice as worth the squeeze. Maybe if they threw in some good seconds and one of their many future firsts. Because as it is they'd be turning their #10 into a ready to go starter while getting off the tirefire of Bledsoe. Too good a deal for them.
    I don’t know man. The moment has passed.

    Let me be clear, i really like DJ but the franchise is about to enter uncharted waters. This doesnt feel like a “we’re a piece away from contending” world, but a “3 year retool” one (if we’re lucky).

    And so, the Spurs need to start making hard decisions around some of the older “young guys.” One of those decisions is “White or Murray.” Both are on great cost/years controlled contract for an interested suitor. A move like this maximizes value for Murray, even if it means deal with Bledsoe for a year.

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    Man, New Orleans would kill a baby to get a rising young guard PLUS Casio relief for one day pick. What are you people thinking?

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    Who do the Grizzlies want? Franz Wagner?

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    4 Days until the Draft!

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    It’s salary dump, but NOLA wants to keep some value so the pick swap makes sense for them.

    Gotta think Spurs can do better for 10…

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    Grizzlies had cap space?

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    Grizzlies had cap space?
    If they decline Winslow I believe they do..

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    I don't know if that site is reputable but I told you the Grizzlies were looking to move up. My su ion is that they want Wagner, but there could be someone else like a Moody for example.

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    Grizzlies had cap space?
    They could have a little Bit more than 20 millions.

    So the grizz would give a pick 17 for bledsoe + pick 10 but the spurs should offer Murray ?

    I think that's the difference between a good and a bad deal.

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    They could have a little Bit more than 20 millions.

    So the grizz would give a pick 17 for bledsoe + pick 10 but the spurs should offer Murray ?

    I think that's the difference between a good and a bad deal.
    Why give up Murray for the 10th pick and Bledsoe?

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    Why give up Murray for the 10th pick and Bledsoe?
    to prevent future cap problems, to invest in other ball handling prospects, to get another cost controlled prospect with higher upside. Murray as our best player is the very definition of a treadmill team.

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    Who do the Grizzlies want? Franz Wagner?
    Grizz are analytics driven drafters. So Wagner, Davion, Kispert, Duarte maybe Sengun.

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    Doesn't Wagner overlap with Jackson way too much?

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    Clearly the Grizz seem to think the player(s) they want are gone by 17.

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