AOC should leave the Democratic Party

[ElNono]

OK well we will take your word for it that Bernie would have won. Also, if Biden wins the nom and loses then obviously Bernie or Warren would have won easily

That's not the point I was making. The point is that you need some sort of charismatic leader out there. Bernie fits that mold somewhat, but mostly by default because Biden is absolutely terrible.

The actual problem is that nobody in-between Biden and Bernie showed up (yet).

Ultimately, presidential elections are a glorified popularity contest.

[ElNono]

dont you remember when he guaranteed everyone would get healthcare coverage and the government would pay for it?

yep. And multinationals were going to take a hit for moving work across the border... the list is endless.

[Will Hunting]

I thought the argument for Bernie is the base would turn itself out and he would get people who don't normally vote out? and the competing theory is to do what Biden is doing which is to focus on older people and swing voters who always turn out but can be flipped. Most of the Bernie people say his thing is he brings in people who wouldnt normally be voters. But the counterpoint is he could turn off moderates or some independent people would just stay home if its a socialist and Trump as the only two options.

Independents stayed home and voted for Trump in 2016 (here comes some argument about how even though Hillary was as moderate as it gets her failure as a moderate doesn’t really count for purposes of this argument).

I don’t think Bernie is the best candidate, he’s too old and I don’t think this country is ready to elect a Jew who probably doesn’t believe in god. Warren isn’t as far to the left hqoever she hasn’t been able to build momentum.

Truth be told none of the candidates left in the field moderate or progressive are all that imo.

[ElNono]

just imagine Trump in debates with Biden... be going full speed tearing into Biden with all kinds of insults while dumb Joe will be standing there with the wandering arm and old man stare saying “I don’t like you but I like Republicans!”

It's like grandpa A vs grandpa B yelling at clouds... I'll let you watch it, and then you can give me your notes

[ElNono]

Even Nathan was going to vote for Bernie if he was the candidate... think about that for a minute.

[Will Hunting]

It's like grandpa A vs grandpa B yelling at clouds... I'll let you watch it, and then you can give me your notes

Except grandpa A will probably take his unhealthy food/caffeine tail before the game to get energy, while grandpa B doesn’t have the energy to yell anymore and is <5 years away from living in an assisted living home

[ElNono]

Except grandpa A will probably take his unhealthy food/caffeine tail before the game to get energy, while grandpa B doesn’t have the energy to yell anymore and is <5 years away from living in an assisted living home

You have grandpa A taking his insulin shot + feasting on a MacD before the debate starts vs grandpa B fondling the female moderator... what a show

[Spurtacular]

The economy is strong and I don't think anyone would be a favorite against him from this field. A war or slowdown would help. I know if Bernie or Warren gets the nom and loses badly you will definitely move to the center and say moderates are good for sure immediately.

All the Dem moderates are corrupt with the exception of Tulsi.

[Trainwreck2100]

This is how you get President Trump reelected.

i don't put it past the berniebros to tank this if their guy goes out again regardless.

[Spurtacular]

Independents stayed home and voted for Trump in 2016 (here comes some argument about how even though Hillary was as moderate as it gets her failure as a moderate doesn’t really count for purposes of this argument).

Nobody worries about Hillary in terms of moderate/progressive.

They think of her in terms of corrupt / head in the sand not corrupt or / head in the sand not a .

[ChumpDumper]

Let's hear you say it, then.

Already did.

I said everyone responsible.

[Spurtacular]

Already did.

I said everyone responsible.

Let's hear you say it.

Can't.

#StillWithHer

[ChumpDumper]

Let's hear you say it.

Can't.

#StillWithHer

Sure. her for being a bad candidate.

I made sure you chimed in first
so easy to shoot you down
now cry about it

[Will Hunting]

Well, this thread was fun while it lasted.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, this thread was fun while it lasted.

Sorry. He should be satisfied but probably won't be.

I will vote for anyone who wins the Democratic nomination. Period.

[Will Hunting]

Sorry. He should be satisfied but probably won't be.

I will vote for anyone who wins the Democratic nomination. Period.

Yeah idk why you waste time engaging with him but that comment was more directed at him trying to turn an unequivocal yes into a 10 page argument.m

I just moved to Washington DC a few months ago so I’m not sure if I’m going to vote at all since it doesn’t ing matter

[Reck]

Even Nathan was going to vote for Bernie if he was the candidate... think about that for a minute.

Please.

Nathan was never for Bernie. He hates him now and is a die hard Trumpie.

You have to be extra re ed to be for one guy and then not only vote the other way but then proceed to on everything Bernie than be a Trump ass licker full time in a matter of weeks.

[Isitjustme?]

All kidding aside this field just sucks progressive or moderate.

2016 was even worse imo. Final four was Hillary, Bernie, Trump, and Cruz lmao

[Spurtacular]

Yeah idk why you waste time engaging with him but that comment was more directed at him trying to turn an unequivocal yes into a 10 page argument.m

It's not unequivocal. That's why he won't say it. I called it. Don't be mad that I called it, son.

[ChumpDumper]

It's not unequivocal. That's why he won't say it. I called it. Don't be mad that I called it, son.

you missed a couple posts, son.

[Spurtacular]

Sorry. He should be satisfied but probably won't be.

I will vote for anyone who wins the Democratic nomination. Period.

You should be able to say it if that's how you truly see it. You can't. #StillWithHer and all.

LOL Dump

[Will Hunting]

It's not unequivocal. That's why he won't say it. I called it. Don't be mad that I called it, son.

He literally just said “ her for being a bad candidate”

There are some posters on this site where I wonder if the elevator goes all the way to the top floor (ducks, boutons, Fabbs, etc)....maybe you belong on the list

[ChumpDumper]

You should be able to say it if that's how you truly see it. You can't. #StillWithHer and all.

LOL Dump

go back further.

[Spurtacular]

Sure. her for being a bad candidate.

I made sure you chimed in first
so easy to shoot you down
now cry about it

That's not why you said her.

I told you he likes his wiggle room, Will.

[Will Hunting]

You should be able to say it if that's how you truly see it. You can't. #StillWithHer and all.

LOL Dump

Post specifically word-for-word what you don’t think he’s willing to say.