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Toronto. Canada is hockey and nothing else, tbh.
Not like there is a long list of stars whom have failed in Cleveland. He basically pulled a Leonard in Toronto
Winning in Lakers backyard after all the talent Clippers have wasted, would be the most impressive feat.
Cleveland is a football town. Maybe baseball.
Has teams in all 3 major American sports, LeBron the only guy that could deliver in the past what, 20+ years?
Plus he had his redemption story to boot. Played masterfully, tbh
Well yah he was able to accomplish what the great Mark Price could not. No one ever brought an NBA le to Cleveland cause no one significant ever tried. Move Irving and Durant to the Cavaliers and I am confident they can win at-least one.
Jordan sit for an entire season and the Bulls still won 50+ games.
Jordan sit for an entire season and the Bulls still won 50+ games.
The kind when he returns, the team sets a regular season record 72 wins and goes off for a second championship threepeat? That kind of Goat?
Yep. From 3 peat champs to first round fodder. Sounds about right.
6 rings in 6.5 seasons
He clearly isn't as good as Giannis or Kawhi, I'd have him behind Davis(despite being overrated) and Harden, as well. Lebron is only going to get worse as the season progresses considering his age and mileage, he should already be retired. Assuming deterioration by the end of the season, he's a back-end top 10 player, similar to Embiid/Jokic/George
And yet it was LeGOAT, not the Browns or Indians, who brought them their only ring in the last 50+ years.
The LeGOAT Effect
11 rings in 13 seasons
You're a Spur fan at heart, so I'll let your Jim love slide. But Kawhi has been in the right place at the right timePERIOD.
LeBron, Duncan, Kareem are all better than him, and Kawhi probably will be too once it's all said and done.
He was drafted to the Spurs, who were already good. Jim was the man on those teams. They still had Manu. Still had TP. Still had Pop on the sidelines and good role players. All he had to do is mature as a player and fit into Pop's system. Then they fell out. Somebody had to go so he was...
...Deported to a ready made contender, who went 18-4 (81.8%) while he load managed in route to a ring*. Even without him this year, the Raps are winning at a 67.7% clip - good for 6th in the East (so far).
Fast forward to this year. He (secretly) met with Paul George - while he was simultaneously "negotiating in good faith" with Jeannie Buss. All in an effort to join another stacked team. Go get Moe Harkless. Go trade for Paul George. Etc, and I'll sign.
When has he ever had to shoulder the load of dragging a lotto team to the playoffs? Answer: none.
Career averages of 18.1ppg, 6.4rpg, and 2.5apg is hardly worthy of being thought of amongst the all-time greats. He "won" because he was on great teams. That's it and that's all.
* yes his 2019 ring deserves a big fat * next to it. We all know if KD and Klay played he'd be shining shoes.
when did i or anyone claim he was the 2nd best RS GOAT?stick to having autist arguments for 12 straight hours with Chump and Blake, because you sure as dont know all about basketball.
dumb , you literally said he was the same player in OKC as he is now, and that " his numbers reflect that actuality." and they clearly do not, one click trip to basketballreference.com shows youre completely full of and just making stuff up to seem like you know what youre talking about. like i said, go back jerking your butt buddies off in the club / political forum, stay out of the basketball forums and let the actual men here discuss ball. kthx
I guess you're assuming someones like D-Wade and Chris Bosh would have came to Cleveland; because the Cavs got lottery picks like Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson because Lebron left.
14 straight losses / 2 playoff sweeps
Nobody cares about your watered down nineties gunk, fanboy.
Don't know if it’s what he’s referring to, but ambchang started a thread a while back making such a claim. Said his advanced metrics proved Harden was the second best SG in history.when did i or anyone claim he was the 2nd best RS GOAT?
Don't know if it’s what he’s referring to, but ambchang started a thread a while back making such a claim. Said his advanced metrics proved Harden was the second best SG in history.when did i or anyone claim he was the 2nd best RS GOAT?
Not assuming anything. It’s a fact he went back to Cleveland after his stint in Miami and beat a historical Warriors team.
Plus he just gifted beats headphones to the Ohio State squad... such class
i never made that claim so its re ed to quote me in and respond with that when he couldnt back up his claim that "in actuality" the numbers show Harden is the same player now as he was in OKC. this is so incorrect is laughable tbh
It's a fact that the supporting cast was at a much higher level.
Sure. Not Bosh, Wade, Allen talented, but pretty good. That said, none of those guys have done anything of note since.
Upon further review. Tiny james. Tbh.
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