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    Other than the skin color I don't think they play the same at all.
    How are they not the same!? They’re both big wings that play SF/PF, both are decent shooters, solid defenders, etc. It just seems redundant to have both of them on the team, I wouldn’t hate because I’m still skeptical of Luka but I think there’s other areas of need or shoot for higher upside

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    The comp I like most for Wagner is Andrei Kirilenko... Positive impact on both offensive & defensive sides with a relatively low usage rate, so more a well rounded glue guy than a #1 option. In college, advanced stats loved Wagner, as they did Kirilenko-- I haven't seen that from Samanic at all in any capacity. The one slight fear I have for Wagner after watching more tape on him is that a lot of his three point misses seem to be pretty bad misses, clanking off the front rim or being completely misaligned, so projections of him becoming a better than average three point shooter might be exaggerated, though his good FT% works in his favor. I think Franz is ideally a tall SG or a SF, whereas Luka is likely a PF who can maybe log some SF or C minutes.
    I don’t remember where it was but Luka himself compared himself to Andre Kirilenko as one of the players he models his game after lol

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    I don’t remember where it was but Luka himself compared himself to Andre Kirilenko as one of the players he models his game after lol
    yeah-and in that same interview he also compared his game to KD's.

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    I don’t remember where it was but Luka himself compared himself to Andre Kirilenko as one of the players he models his game after lol
    Really? Interesting... I haven't seen that. Good sign, in my book!


    Edit: Ah, found it: https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/s...-the-nbas-best

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    How are they not the same!? They’re both big wings that play SF/PF, both are decent shooters, solid defenders, etc. It just seems redundant to have both of them on the team, I wouldn’t hate because I’m still skeptical of Luka but I think there’s other areas of need or shoot for higher upside
    Luka is a big man, post up and rolls consist a chunk of his offense.

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    How are they not the same!? They’re both big wings that play SF/PF, both are decent shooters, solid defenders, etc. It just seems redundant to have both of them on the team, I wouldn’t hate because I’m still skeptical of Luka but I think there’s other areas of need or shoot for higher upside
    The idea of two players with the same combination of size and excellent quickness playing stifling defense is too good to pass up. They would lock down. However, it’s not a given that Luka will get there and Franz is what Luka’s upside is in theory. They both share the archetype of a player that’s needed in today’s NBA. If one doesn’t work out, at least we have another to count on.

    But I’m sure you can play both together and that will be a thing of beauty.

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    but we're all pretty sure wagner will be gone by 12 anyway? isn't that the general vibe at this time?

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    but we're all pretty sure wagner will be gone by 12 anyway? isn't that the general vibe at this time?
    . Yes. No. Maybe. I don’t want to be disappointed.

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    . Yes. No. Maybe. I don’t want to be disappointed.
    It's the hope that kills ya.......

    This draft is going to be really hard to predict after Cunningham. I'm still not sure that the Spurs are going to stick with 12, either.
    I do believe that we will end up with 1-3 solid building blocks by the time summer ends. No idea how that will shake out.

    All that said, I appreciate your dedication to data-based, and, basketball-centered posts!

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    I hope somebody bites on Jalen Johnson. Feel he drops like a stone, though.

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    I hope somebody bites on Jalen Johnson. Feel he drops like a stone, though.
    Yes my Spurs, future franchise player

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    The idea of two players with the same combination of size and excellent quickness playing stifling defense is too good to pass up. They would lock down. However, it’s not a given that Luka will get there and Franz is what Luka’s upside is in theory. They both share the archetype of a player that’s needed in today’s NBA. If one doesn’t work out, at least we have another to count on.

    But I’m sure you can play both together and that will be a thing of beauty.

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    The idea of two players with the same combination of size and excellent quickness playing stifling defense is too good to pass up. They would lock down. However, it’s not a given that Luka will get there and Franz is what Luka’s upside is in theory. They both share the archetype of a player that’s needed in today’s NBA. If one doesn’t work out, at least we have another to count on.

    But I’m sure you can play both together and that will be a thing of beauty.
    +1

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    I stumbled across this today, written about 4 months ago on Cory Kispert:

    "despite being the kind of athlete that will never be close to touching a 30+ inch vertical jump, he counters this lack of verticality with soft touch and strength supplied from that bulky 6-foot-7, 220-pound frame that he uses well in the lane, and this aids his ability to finish with both hands."

    Kispert registered a 37.5" vertical at the NBA combine. It's so common for writers to post this kind of anecdotal stuff that is just completely wrong. I saw a similar blurb a few weeks ago about Jaden Springer, who then registered a 41.5" vertical.


    https://8points9seconds.com/2021/02/...lamethrower/2/

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    Wagner is not a turnover machine like Samanic.

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    30 days to draft day, boys.

    I'm hoping Sengun is available. Dude can stroke it.

    And of course he'll learn to play defense if he comes here.

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    As it stands, I think Giddey, Moody, and Sengun are my favorite prospects in our range… honestly there really isn’t one player I’d be disappointed if we drafted

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    I feel strongly that Samanic shouldn’t even be a consideration when deciding who to draft. They have had decent combo guard prospects in recent years and mid sized wings and still got more because when none of them are a star, or a given success, you don’t limit yourself from drafting who you think is going to be the best player.

    Samanic is still a project. If he pans out that’s great, but honestly he has not yet and also may never. He can’t shoot well enough yet and without decent shooting I honestly don’t know who he is as a player, we’ll see. He shouldn’t even be a consideration on who to draft.
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    I feel strongly that Samanic shouldn’t even be a consideration when deciding who to draft. They have had decent combo guard prospects in recent years and mid sized wings and still got more because when none of them are a star, or a given success, you don’t limit yourself from drafting who you think is going to be the best player.

    Samanic is still a project. If he pans out that’s great, but honestly he has not yet and also may never. He can’t shoot well enough yet and without decent shooting I honestly don’t know who he is as a player, we’ll see. He shouldn’t even be a consideration on who to draft.
    I don't think anyone on the roster is so highly valued that it causes us to pass on a player.

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    I don't think anyone on the roster is so highly valued that it causes us to pass on a player.
    Exactly this is the answer.

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    I don't think anyone on the roster is so highly valued that it causes us to pass on a player.
    This is only half the truth. Say there IS a player in the draft that’s better than Murray, White, Keldon, or Poeltl, but their projected upside is only a marginal improvement for the team. That’s a waste of a pick. I was reading the Free Agent thread and someone suggested that Jarrett Allen should be a target because he’s better than Poeltl, or something along this lines… which is, IMO, a bad idea that doesn’t move the needle. It’s why I’m not convinced with Tre Mann since what he may give on offense may be neglected by how much he takes away on defense. It’s why I can talk mysef into Kai Jones since he’s something that would change the team dynamic and would change the make-up of the team with Keldon sliding down. There’s much more factors to consider than simply getting any guy who looks marginally better than any guy on our team. Said player needs to be game-changing and frankly, very few guards where the Spurs are selecting are. That’s why I’m advocating for wings because the talent level (at #12) is that much better.

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    This is only half the truth. Say there IS a player in the draft that’s better than Murray, White, Keldon, or Poeltl, but their projected upside is only a marginal improvement for the team. That’s a waste of a pick. I was reading the Free Agent thread and someone suggested that Jarrett Allen should be a target because he’s better than Poeltl, or something along this lines… which is, IMO, a bad idea that doesn’t move the needle. It’s why I’m not convinced with Tre Mann since what he may give on offense may be neglected by how much he takes away on defense. It’s why I can talk mysef into Kai Jones since he’s something that would change the team dynamic and would change the make-up of the team with Keldon sliding down. There’s much more factors to consider than simply getting any guy who looks marginally better than any guy on our team. Said player needs to be game-changing and frankly, very few guards where the Spurs are selecting are. That’s why I’m advocating for wings because the talent level (at #12) is that much better.
    That's over-complicating things. The best player when we pick may be marginally better that Murray or much better than say Keldon (using as an example)...but he's still the Best Player Available...that should be our target no matter what because we aren't good enough to choose a lesser talent because the gap between he and KJ is greater than the disparity between a superior player and DJ. Just pick pick the best player and figure the rest out later.

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    This is only half the truth. Say there IS a player in the draft that’s better than Murray, White, Keldon, or Poeltl, but their projected upside is only a marginal improvement for the team. That’s a waste of a pick. I was reading the Free Agent thread and someone suggested that Jarrett Allen should be a target because he’s better than Poeltl, or something along this lines… which is, IMO, a bad idea that doesn’t move the needle. It’s why I’m not convinced with Tre Mann since what he may give on offense may be neglected by how much he takes away on defense. It’s why I can talk mysef into Kai Jones since he’s something that would change the team dynamic and would change the make-up of the team with Keldon sliding down. There’s much more factors to consider than simply getting any guy who looks marginally better than any guy on our team. Said player needs to be game-changing and frankly, very few guards where the Spurs are selecting are. That’s why I’m advocating for wings because the talent level (at #12) is that much better.
    i agree; i look at kai in the 1st round or even jericho sims in the 2nd and I see them doing things that Poeltl already does better. even if jones has more upside, how long does he take to develop?

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    That's over-complicating things. The best player when we pick may be marginally better that Murray or much better than say Keldon (using as an example)...but he's still the Best Player Available...that should be our target no matter what because we aren't good enough to choose a lesser talent because the gap between he and KJ is greater than the disparity between a superior player and DJ. Just pick pick the best player and figure the rest out later.
    BPA takes on a different definition when you’re drafting at #12 unless a top projected pick falls into your lap. There are no guys expected at #12 who is really set apart from the others. Especially no point guards.

    It’s very even at that point. And I’m saying that with a huge favoritism for Wagner, Moody, Giddey.

    If we were picking at #6, your comment would be more applicable since there’s a chance a true BPA falls.

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