2020 Dem primaries discussion thread

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Depends on whether you espouse an actual political agenda or if you just want to subscribe to a cult of personality.

Is raising a modest tax on the super elites to pay for the working class policies a cult of personality? That sounds like more of an agenda than Warren waffling between centrist and left stances and crying sexism. Yang and Tulsi have no shot

[Proxy]

That seems almost impossible given how badly he got them black voters bent over.

I dont think that's his problem right now anyways. He's not going to win NH to begin with but now he does need a second place more than ever. If he places 4th or 5th again, no more mulligans. After NH we have another caucus. That might be the end of him if he doesn't do well in NH.

good point, we'll see what happens

[spurraider21]

Now, NOW Tom Perez calls for then to recanvass

[spurraider21]

Just up in every way possible to make the Repubicans look sensible.

yep. still happening. i couldn't imagine a worse way to handle this than they have. and the way they're doing it is only feeding the conspiracy theories. they're creating the worst possible narrative

[ChumpDumper]

Is raising a modest tax on the super elites to pay for the working class policies a cult of personality? That sounds like more of an agenda than Warren waffling between centrist and left stances and crying sexism. Yang and Tulsi have no shot

I think a lot of people get emotionally attached to a candidate and, conversely repelled by others. That's why Trump is going to win in November. I will love it if the Democrats prove me wrong and I will vote for any candidate they put up-- but just look at this board as a microcosm of the party and you can see why we are going to lose.

[spurraider21]

I think a lot of people get emotionally attached to a candidate and, conversely repelled by others.

It worked for Trump.

[ChumpDumper]

If you want to follow the Trump model of duping rubes, be my guest.

[spurraider21]

If you want to follow the Trump model of duping rubes, be my guest.

i just wanted to be snarky for a minute

[ChumpDumper]

i just wanted to be snarky for a minute

I'm going to be snarky for eight months, then probably forever.

[spurraider21]

I'm going to be snarky for eight months, then probably forever.

i think if the party is concerned that disgruntled berniebros are going to them over, then maybe they should stop doing everything in their power to give those people reasons to believe that the party is out to get their guy

[ChumpDumper]

i think if the party is concerned that disgruntled berniebros are going to them over, then maybe they should stop doing everything in their power to give those people reasons to believe that the party is out to get their guy

Probably. I look forward to the debates where Bernie tries to say "I'm not a socialist but a democratic socialist but not like the democratic socialist who actually belong to the Democratic Socialist party but more like social democrats who aren't a party but I'm independent not a Democrat but I'm running as a Democrat think of me as an independent democratic socialist social democrat see it's simple!"

[spurraider21]

Probably. I look forward to the debates where Bernie tries to say "I'm not a socialist but a democratic socialist but not like the democratic socialist who actually belong to the Democratic Socialist party but more like social democrats who aren't a party but I'm independent see it's simple!"

det not so subtle topic switch

that sounds more like how a socialist version of joe biden or donald trump would respond

[ChumpDumper]

det not so subtle topic switch

Was just on my mind. I think Berniebros will cry conspiracy no matter what. Even if he wins. That's politics today.

[Ball Buster]

Probably. I look forward to the debates where Bernie tries to say "I'm not a socialist but a democratic socialist but not like the democratic socialist who actually belong to the Democratic Socialist party but more like social democrats who aren't a party but I'm independent not a Democrat but I'm running as a Democrat think of me as an independent democratic socialist social democrat see it's simple!"

I look forward to the establishment wing of the Democratic Party getting their pushed in.

[spurraider21]

Was just on my mind. I think Berniebros will cry conspiracy no matter what. Even if he wins. That's politics today.

i agree that there is a block of them that certainly would. i think the iowa dems and DNC have basically been pouring gasoline vis-a-vis the iowa caucus results

[ChumpDumper]

i agree that there is a block of them that certainly would. i think the iowa dems and DNC have basically been pouring gasoline vis-a-vis the iowa caucus results

Aside from learning old rubes can't use smartphones, I think people are learning what a cluster caucuses are in the first place and if IA wants to keep this one shred of relevance they'll reform this stupid system.

[spurraider21]

Aside from learning old rubes can't use smartphones, I think people are learning what a cluster caucuses are in the first place and if IA wants to keep this one shred of relevance they'll reform this stupid system.

its not just the app issue... its the way they've been slow-rolling the results, now stopping at 97%, etc. there were also some actual discrepancies in the results that the NYT wrote about this morning

and then if you are going to slow-roll your results for the purpose of integrity and accuracy, how do you go about doing this... https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...rs/4672474002/

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its not just the app issue... its the way they've been slow-rolling the results, now stopping at 97%, etc. there were also some actual discrepancies in the results that the NYT wrote about this morning

and then if you are going to slow-roll your results for the purpose of integrity and accuracy, how do you go about doing this... https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...rs/4672474002/

They're going to re canvass, aka recount it.

[spurraider21]

They're going to re canvass, aka recount it.

and they waited until 97% of the results were released to do so. should have done it much earlier, as the issues were well known all along.

[spurraider21]

im actually not seeing anything official about a recanvass happening. i know tom perez called for it, but he cant unilaterally do that. the iowa democratic party calls the shots, not the national committee. they released a statement today saying that they are still working on finishing their results (lol 3%) and that a candidate can request a recanvass which they will then consider

https://www.thecaucuses.org/statement-feb-6-2020

[Proxy]

I think a lot of people get emotionally attached to a candidate and, conversely repelled by others. That's why Trump is going to win in November. I will love it if the Democrats prove me wrong and I will vote for any candidate they put up-- but just look at this board as a microcosm of the party and you can see why we are going to lose.

Worried about the same thing, and Id never advocate for any action that gets Trump reelcted. That's a serious thing to face when the time comes.

It's wrong to blame the voters for something that's been orchestrated by the party though. But to your point, a lot of them don't know that. The biggest group to lose would be Bernie's base. If he doesn't win, I think Trump gets reelected. Impeachment gave the GOP and Trump their best fundraising period, he's all set to go at whoever. DNC is set to stop their anti establishment candidate even though he has the base to win. I think he'll pull if off though.

[Will Hunting]

I think a lot of people get emotionally attached to a candidate and, conversely repelled by others. That's why Trump is going to win in November. I will love it if the Democrats prove me wrong and I will vote for any candidate they put up-- but just look at this board as a microcosm of the party and you can see why we are going to lose.

I used to think this but I don’t see it after Trump was able to get through an extremely contentious 2016 primary and win vs a candidate who, despite her ing and moaning about how hard the 2016 primary was, was about as close as a non-in bent candidate could get to running in an uncontested presidential primary.

If the Ted Cruz supporters were still able to show up for Trump after Trump called Cruz’s wife an ugly dog or whatever then Biden supporters will get over it if Sanders wins.

[ChumpDumper]

I used to think this but I don’t see it after Trump was able to get through an extremely contentious 2016 primary and win vs a candidate who, despite her ing and moaning about how hard the 2016 primary was, was about as close as a non-in bent candidate could get to running in an uncontested presidential primary.

If the Ted Cruz supporters were still able to show up for Trump after Trump called Cruz’s wife an ugly dog or whatever then Biden supporters will get over it if Sanders wins.

I wouldn't worry about those as much as independents and old people who will never vote for an avowed socialist.

[Proxy]

Perez is getting his packed in

Bernie gets $25m in January alone, 6k more votes in Iowa than Pete

[koriwhat]

WHO CARES?! 'EM ALL!