Woj: Zach Collins Agrees to 3-Yr, $22M Deal with Spurs

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How are both things "true" if neither is actually what happened. Yes, he is/was a bit of a reclamation project but he had shown enough flashes that it garnered him a $7 million per year deal.

The questions with Zach were if he could remain healthy (check, so far) and how much athleticism had he lost from all the lower-body procedures (check, not a lot).

He's never gonna live up to his 10th pick, but he's shown that he can play well when healthy.

(Side-note: His antics aren't as severe or reckless, but he reminds me of a poor man's Bill Laimbeer. He's a real irritant on the basketball court and playing against him with Sochan must be a bit annoying.)

Haha. Good point about Zollins and Sochan. Annoying indeed. But evidently not much harder to score on than air.

[scott]

Bumped for anyone who wants to go back for receipts on this one.

[scott]

Only through the first few pages, but looks like CGD and baseline bum were the first few who didn't immediately slit their wrists on signing day

[Atl Spur]

This is a classic! Enjoy…. A great read to say the least! Hi mugen…. a spurs talk treasure, the epitome of an intelligent contributor (how do I blue this ? ) Clown…..go paint your face

[Mr. Body]

I would say he's more than living up to being a #10 pick. I don't believe i was down on the signing, would need to dig around, I just never thought he'd be what we're seeing now. Like I've been posting, I think he's potentially the 2nd best player on the roster right now. Not that it really matters.

[scott]

People in this thread legit through Gorgui Dieng would have been a better signing

[scott]

I don't really get it, but no reason to shoot your s off. Go jack or to John Collins porn and chill out. What a bunch of ing losers.

This is a classic Mr. Body post but was the proper way to view the signing at the time.

[scott]

This is a really good signing and I have no idea why anybody is ing about it. We need a rebuild and that’s going to take 3 years. Pop isn’t going anywhere as a coach (apparently I was wrong on that one) and so that means we are tanking even if we don’t want to tank

So by signing these ty players that only reinforced the TANK. I rather have these POS than the Real Collins at this point. Initially I wanted JCollins but he fixes zero issues. Our issue is that we have no A level talent. Our best player is a B- player in White. How do we get A level talent? You get lucky as and draft it. So yeah we are gonna suck and these signings suck and ZCollins won’t help in any way shape or form. But at this point, we need as many lottery picks as possible to get out man. Meanwhile this ty ass no foot Collins is perfect for us. Locks up money on a player that won’t help and ensures we suck bad.

Btw everyone here was saying no way are we near a Sacramento Kings position and our front office is so much better and blah blah blah. Now they realize that ol Kobe’s Achilles was right on the money and we are a waaaays away from making the playoffs. At the soonest 3 years away apparently.

Early wisdom

[poopbox]

1st 3 pages are absolute gold

[scott]

If Zach can resume potentially playing in December then this was a great signing! I’m skeptical but minus the injuries he would have been a hot commodity this free agency

Tack another to the list of folks who saw potential early.

I'm only bumping the folks who didn't see the sky falling, because everyone else was on suicide watch.

[spurraider21]

im always glad to be wrong in positions like this, but its not like the concerns over collins were without merit

everything is easier to assess two years after the fact

[scott]

pretty expensive way to give Derrick White a rehab buddy tbh

This one wins for funniest post that didn't involve self harm

[Atl Spur]

Scott stop being mean!

[Atl Spur]

On second thought, please continue��

[scott]

I'd say they're somewhat similar. Collins is taller, longer and has a natural feel for the game. Samanic is more athletic in all areas (pre-injuries, Collins was maybe tied with him quickness-wise) and has more upside in terms of perimeter skills (passing, dribbling, playmaking). Basically, Collins is Samanic but with a much higher floor (if healthy, at worst he's a mobile big with just enough offensive game to be playable; Samanic isn't an NBA player at his lower outcomes) but a lower ceiling (Samanic is unlikely to reach his ceiling but it's sky high).

The best way to think of a great Collins outcome if he's healthy is that he becomes a skinnier, weaker Poeltl with a jumper and more fluidity on offense but not as good of defensive instincts.

I'd say this has been met, and then some.

[scott]

In typical ST fashion, two highly respected minds are in this thread talking about how Drew Eubanks is better player than Zach and "it's not close."

Reminds me of when people on this site wanted to trade DJM PLUS a bunch of picks for Ben Simmons.

This board can be awfully myopic sometimes.

[spurraider21]

In typical ST fashion, two highly respected minds are in this thread talking about how Drew Eubanks is better player than Zach and "it's not close."

Reminds me of when people on this site wanted to trade DJM PLUS a bunch of picks for Ben Simmons.

This board can be awfully myopic sometimes.

through the 20-21 season, simmons was an all star for 3 consecutive years having made 2 all defensive first teams at 25 yo

dont think anybody predicted how his next 2 seasons would go. its very easy to play the hindsight 20/20 game

people's reason for disliking collins wasnt that he was just a bum without skill. his injury history was the dominant factor

[scott]

through the 20-21 season, simmons was an all star for 3 consecutive years having made 2 all defensive first teams at 25 yo

dont think anybody predicted how his next 2 seasons would go. its very easy to play the hindsight 20/20 game

people's reason for disliking collins wasnt that he was just a bum without skill. his injury history was the dominant factor

When this board was theorizing a Simmons trade, he already had shown he was unplayable in crunch time and was estranged from Philly. Meanwhile, DJM was a player on the rise. You can go back to that thread and find a handful of folks like myself who flat out said DJM was a better player than Ben at that point.

To the bolded point above, read this thread. Some people's main concern was the injury history, but A LOT of folks here through he was just a ty basketball player. There is a multi-page conversation about how Drew Eubanks is a better player than Zach

[Chinook]

Funny thing is that I was okay on the McDermott deal and much more annoyed on this deal. It wasn't pretty that first season, but last year made up for it.

[Chinook]

What a crazy world that I'd go from ing about this previous contract to fighting with folks on RGM that this extension isn't a bad deal.

[CGD]

I’ll own it: I like this signing. It’s worth the gamble, plus in all likelihood these are the type of deals we’d been left with anyway. It’s a ty crop this summer. People just pissed it’s happening st 12:01 again.

His deal will start in the 6M range, and we’ll see what year 3 protections there are. Spurs still have moved to make.

Still owning it

[spurraider21]

What a crazy world that I'd go from ing about this previous contract to fighting with folks on RGM that this extension isn't a bad deal.

ive never really frequented rgm, but basically doin that on reddit lol

[Atl Spur]

What a crazy world that I'd go from ing about this previous contract to fighting with folks on RGM that this extension isn't a bad deal.

Lol

[scott]

The last thing I'll add here (and great to see folks own up to their past opinions in a healthy, light hearted way):

This thread is also a great example of how quickly rosters turnover in this league and things change. Some of the discussion about various rosters in the league are unrecognizable now.

I might do a stat-based thread on Spurs roster turnover, just for fun.

[Mr. Body]

What a crazy world that I'd go from ing about this previous contract to fighting with folks on RGM that this extension isn't a bad deal.

I don't think league fans really know what the Spurs have. To be honest Zach just looked like a decent hotheaded backup before his injury and no one paid attention last year. They don't realize how good he is.