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    Succinct version: I think he'll have a good season but Pop is mighty unpredictable in terms of how many minutes he'll play his two big lineups and minutes as forward for him are limited by a healthy Kawhi and Rudy. So, he will get not as many opportunities as I originally thought but within his opportunities he will play well and have a good enough season to sign elsewhere next summer. Obviously if there are injuries that changes minutes etc, but those are unpredictable and undesirable.

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    thanks for the response but you didn't address either question or the general premise of the post (i.e if he can't stretch the floor)

    Why cant anyone just say what they think here?

    Maybe the decision has been made already ......Think about it....If Gay is healthy i can't see him playing less then 30 mins (the majority being at the 4) right?

    Bertan's just might have already won the spot for the lions share of extra mins - pure speculation.

    Just Kyle looks like real sad case right now. He needs a shot of confidence...or a hug....
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    I can't be any more specific. Right now I see Pop still wanting to play his two big lineups a lot, etc. and that limits minutes availability.

    Rudy and Kawhi will get most of the forward minutes anyways among them. Bertans is a better shooter and floor spacer and LMA will still get some minutes next to Gasol or another true big. Based on limited data this early I am not forecasting him to hold down a rotation spot. POP may also try two guard lineups when going small. Bryn Forbes for example is looking too good to not play in certain scenarios if you can get away with it.

    So it depends on too many factors outside of him individually for me to forecast. I do expect him to play well individually, more like he did in the playoffs and towards the end of last season. He could be an improved shooter.
    But he's playing for his next contract right now. Assuming everyone is healthy and Pop still wants to play his two bigs he's going to be blocked from playing time, setting him up to look elsewhere next season much like Cojo did in 2015. That's my best forecast right now. It could change though.

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    If Anderson has fixed his offensive skills, there could be a small ball line up with Kawhi at 2, Gay at 3, and Anderson at 4.

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    thanks for the response but you didn't address either question or the general premise of the post (i.e if he can't stretch the floor)

    Why cant anyone just say what they think here?

    Maybe the decision has been made already ......Think about it....If Gay is healthy i can't see him playing less then 30 mins (the majority being at the 4) right?

    Bertan's just might have already won the spot for the lions share of extra mins - pure speculation.

    Just Kyle looks like real sad case right now. He needs a shot of confidence...or a hug....
    Bertans didn't win them last playoffs. He can get hot and is a very good shooter but he's a specialist who needs to get assisted shots. So far he's been pretty unidimensional, but the way the bench is looking he'll be fine just shooting. If you just need a floor spacer he's better. Kyle might be a better all around player.

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    i know i've made some controversial posts the last couple of days but i have only asked some really simple questions in this and another thread and you have responded with nothing posts.

    1. Floor/ceiling/projection for DJ
    2. The question above about Kyle

    Neither of these questions is an attempt to pin anyone down or embarrass a poster.

    i want your opinion

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    Already gave it. Maybe someone else can chime in. There were some who wanted him to start. I am of the opinion Pop still wants to play big a good amount so that limits speculation in that regard.

    Edit: Pop's two big lineups may not work out. I think Kyle could earn minutes in that situation.

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    No you took the time to write something completely irrelevant to the questions i asked that probably took you longer to type in the first place.

    Now i'm just getting frustrated.....

    I have no agenda on this board ok people

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    . You will be frustrated a lot then I guess.

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    That posters don't have the comprehension level required or willingness to respond to simple one sentence questions?

    Yes that's a major concern and speaks for the way this board has deteriorated since the early 2000's when i was a teenager.

    Your posts on these issues have been very fustrating but i know you bring knowledge to the table (i.e when you mentioned Forbes possibility of winning the camp battle) so you clearly can give me a legit take on this.

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    That posters don't have the comprehension level required or willingness to respond to simple one sentence questions?

    Yes that's a major concern and speaks for the way this board has deteriorated since the early 2000's when i was a teenager.

    Your posts on these issues have been very fustrating but i know you bring knowledge to the table (i.e when you mentioned Forbes possibility of winning the camp battle) so you clearly can give me a legit take on this.
    Why not start threads with polls covering your questions? That way, you can get the specific answers you seek while also being justified in asking people to stay on topic. Rob did that with his "Starting 5" thread without the poll or Bill did it with his rookie thread with the poll. It doesn't seem like what you're doing is working, whether that's because no one has interest in doing what you want or because everyone's become too stupid to answer a question, or whatever.

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    Why not start threads with polls covering your questions? That way, you can get the specific answers you seek while also being justified in asking people to stay on topic. Rob did that with his "Starting 5" thread without the poll or Bill did it with his rookie thread with the poll. It doesn't seem like what you're doing is working, whether that's because no one has interest in doing what you want or because everyone's become too stupid to answer a question, or whatever.
    You see before this weekend no one would had given a about any threads a poster with 300 would have started.

    That is, until they saw you take a L (unless your still planning to respond in the DJ thread) ....so maybe i just will start a thread now.
    It was never my intention for it to go down that way but you called me out first and then dismissed my points in multiple exchanges after i responded (with evidence and logic - not personal attacks)

    Then there's when i asked about the board about starting such a thread on this very topic (in DJ's thread) i was told to keep it to each individual player shrine/thread by SA herself.

    At the very least my questions are valid and hardly controversial.

    Opinions from other posters on how much time to give Kyle to show if he can be a stretch the floor would be appreciated.
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    That is, until they saw you and others take a L

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    fine...waiting for you to write back on your Kyle summer L vs DJ rookie playoffs

    Do you really want to do this?

    Note: changes the "others" to just you...since CD was smart and stayed quiet

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    fine...waiting for you to write back on your Kyle summer L vs DJ rookie playoffs

    Do you really want to do this?

    Note: changes the "others" to just you...since CD was smart and stayed quiet
    Are you sure you were a teenager 15 years ago? You seem to be acting like one a lot since you've stopped lurking. Not replying to someone's post isn't a concession in anything other than high-school debate. And saying "I think we both know where the other stands on this, so there's no need to argue," sure isn't "taking the L". I made my points and stand by them. You've made yours and apparently stand by them. Since this topic is meaningless, there's no reason to keep rehashing the same old ground.

    You keep wondering why no one is answering your questions while also prancing around like you're dominating your opposition. It seems rather obvious to me that folks just don't want to engage you, whether they see your handle's color and post count and dismiss you or are just turned off by the way you've presented yourself, you aren't getting the attention you want. cd98 apparently made the right decision "staying out of it", but not at all because he's afraid of debating you. He (I assume) and I had our own skirmish just a couple of days ago, and he stayed in there and made his points just fine.

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    i'm not even going to read the two paragraphs above.

    Point is no one would have noticed a thread by a poster with my count had they not seen what transpired the last few days.

    i'm not going to argue that point with you because its not basketball related and all i want is a legit discussion/take about Kyle being ale to stretch the floor so either stay on topic or off.

    Like i said this is clearly fustrating right now

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    That posters don't have the comprehension level required or willingness to respond to simple one sentence questions?

    Yes that's a major concern and speaks for the way this board has deteriorated since the early 2000's when i was a teenager.

    Your posts on these issues have been very fustrating but i know you bring knowledge to the table (i.e when you mentioned Forbes possibility of winning the camp battle) so you clearly can give me a legit take on this.
    I'll tell you this. I'd like to see the team with Kawhi b4 saying anything definitive. I think Gasol and LMA paired together haven't been great. I thought Pop wanting to add more guards and forwards and less traditional bigs was to augment playmaking and versatility as well as shooting. So it's puzzling he's gone back to 2 bigs.

    I think there's a chance with a new season he's giving Gasol dibs on starting b4 adjusting through the season if it doesn't work out (again) like last year when he decided to start Dedmon instead. I think Pop thought new season, let's give him chances again. Gasol came back slimmer to try to hold the spot. Someone at this point has to earn that starting spot from him. It's possible the best version of the team doesn't have 2 bigs. Or even if Gasol starts, others earn more minutes in less traditional lineups. I think that's Kyle's opportunity. He got to play consistently aggressive like he did in the playoffs.

    It's just too difficult to forecast this early. The possibility is there for the lineups to get adjusted again but b4 the minutes going to anyone else, Pop is going to see who earn them. Possible Rudy is looking at starting opportunities too. But the others should aspire too.

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    i'm not even going to read the two paragraphs above.
    Your change in timbre clearly shows you've read it.

    Point is no one would have noticed a thread by a poster with my count had they not seen what transpired the last few days.
    no one gives a flying that you've "embarrassed" me. That didn't get you cred. , even dabom couldn't get interested.

    i'm not going to argue that point with you because its not basketball related and all i want is a legit discussion/take about Kyle being ale to stretch the floor so either stay on topic or off.
    And you would have had discussion if you presented yourself better. But keep using your post count as an excuse.

    Like i said this is clearly fustrating right now
    Yet you aren't willing to address any of the surrounding issues.

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    are you serious.....they are all waiting for you to write back you dumb .

    Address the post in the DJ thread and the summer L mvp vs playoffs debate or take the Loss

    and no i didn't bother to read that b/s post after i saw the first sentence and realized it had nothing to do with the topic....check the response times in posts b/w us
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    are you serious.....they are all waiting for you to write back you dumb .
    No, they aren't. No one gives a about that debate. They all have their own opinions, and they didn't need us to direct their thoughts. As I've tried to explain (diplomatically, I might add), there's very little about most of your posts to warrant response. Some of that is because I think you're wrong. , a lot of that is because I think you're wrong. But some of it is because you aren't actually saying anything different. You're just repeating your thesis. That's fine. You have have your thesis, but unless you specifically ask me to say something, I'm not going to automatically reply. I thought you were legit having problems understanding why I didn't reply, which is why I've been willing to explain it. But you just seem to be offended by it, which is a big whoop at this point.

    Address the post in the DJ thread and the mvp vs ployoffs debate or take the Loss
    with this "taking the loss" .

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    whatever.....i'm likely going to lurk and occasionally post anyway so i don't care about rep. I'd be lucky to hit 500 posts by the end of the season tbh

    Clearly you do.....so don't worry about the DJ thread or the kyle stretch 4 issue.

    I'm starting with attacks now because this has gotten really fustrating for me... Im logging out till tmrw

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    i know i've made some controversial posts the last couple of days but i have only asked some really simple questions in this and another thread and you have responded with nothing posts.

    1. Floor/ceiling/projection for DJ
    2. The question above about Kyle

    Neither of these questions is an attempt to pin anyone down or embarrass a poster.

    i want your opinion
    With regards to Kyle:

    Floor: very good player in Europe
    Ceiling: 2014 Boris Diaw

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    whatever.....i'm likely going to lurk and occasionally post anyway so i don't care about rep. I'd be lucky to hit 500 posts by the end of the season tbh

    Clearly you do.....so don't worry about the DJ thread or the kyle stretch 4 issue.

    I'm starting with attacks now because this has gotten really fustrating for me... Im logging out till tmrw
    I don't care about rep at all, which is why I apparently deigned to reply to a lowly 300-poster like you or something. And apparently, I'm willing to "take Ls" on the reg.

    You evidently thought "embarrassing" me would give you the cred to post threads that people would care about. That's one of the saddest plans I've ever heard, because I have so little cred that I had a number of posters who actively discredit my posts. I'm a terrible target, as at best you'd be able to join one of those krews.

    Again, you should try to act more mature if you want to get serious responses. "Attacks" won't get it done.

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    Heh. I took time to give you a more elaborate response. There's a lot of trolling in these boards ceds, and a fair amount if guys who use alternate accounts (pathetic). Users with low post counts ppl assume to be alternative accounts from trolls a lot. Heck ppl thought I was someone else for a very good long while. Still did up until this summer despite me posting a lot bc it's only been for a couple of years. Go figures. You don't need to stop posting but don't get frustrated if I am not going to give you minutes ans spot definitely that he will play this season which is what I think you want. I can't.
    Maybe 10 minutes and see how it goes from there. I'd like to see him hold a rotation spot, but once Kawhi is back ... I don't know. It really, really depends how much Pop wants to stick to his 2 bigs for me. I don't know the answer to that.

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    I don't care about rep at all, which is why I apparently deigned to reply to a lowly 300-poster like you or something. And apparently, I'm willing to "take Ls" on the reg.

    You evidently thought "embarrassing" me would give you the cred to post threads that people would care about. That's one of the saddest plans I've ever heard, because I have so little cred that I had a number of posters who actively discredit my posts. I'm a terrible target, as at best you'd be able to join one of those krews.

    Again, you should try to act more mature if you want to get serious responses. "Attacks" won't get it done.
    Do you always write so much about so little ? Or is this just you taking the piss?

    You are right - I let you off the hook in the DJ thread by not posting the direct quote you sent to me about Klyes Summer vs DJ playoffs.

    So it's clear my intention was not to embarrass you & I even stated as such in the thread.

    You provoked me here....so if you DO want to be embarrassed by me then let's start the debate.

    Address the debate (which you started), talk about Kyle stretch 4/ DJ projection or off

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