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    You are the one that twisted it into "hyper" inflation.

    Still pulling the same .
    Eh it was some other proto-Trump but you were there.

    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=164863

    You were off by a full decade in your prediction.

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    So then Reagan, he’s the one who put that greedy in charge of the federal reserve.
    Ronnie found the government credit card after going away from the gold standard and wrecked that . It was so bad, he eventually had to do a tax hike.

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    Yeah and I remember when you guys said inflation was not ever gonna happen.
    No, actually, we said hyperinflation was not going to happen, and it hasn't.

    Even the inflation we had was very mild vis a vis other countries.

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    Are you so stupid you think it’s just one side blowing up the deficit? "Inflation reduction act" ring a bell?
    The CBO scored the IRA as a net deficit reduction, try again.

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    I don't hate Obama, but I do admire him for what he was, a capable, clear-minded, center-right caretaker of power during a turbulent period of transition.
    Lolol

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    I don't hate Obama, but I do admire him for what he was, a capable, clear-minded, center-right caretaker of power during a turbulent period of transition.
    Pretty much, as his signature legislation was just copying Romney's healthcare plan for Massachusetts. Was hilarious seeing Romney run against his own healthcare plan in 2012.

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    The debt obviously matters, but there isn't a damn thing the house can effectively do at this point with the senate and presidency in democratic hands.. McCarthy got blackmailed into "trying" but it won't go anywhere.
    Dang forgot about CC or my 10 pages prediction would be CC

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    I don’t hate Obama but keeping GWB’s defense Secretary after how the country’s revolt against GWB’s natsec policy was a big part of what propelled Obama’s 2008 landslide is an L. Obama had a clear mandate to reverse course on GWB’s foreign policy that he mostly ignored.

    Based Biden OTOH ended the war in Afghanistan knowing how unfairly the media would attack him over it (Jake Tapper has never seen a war he doesn’t think the US shouldn’t intervene in) because he knew it was the right thing to do regardless of the political cost.
    This is a deficit thread tho and he couldn't stand to see even 2 seconds of Obama looking good so he brings up several non-deficit topics lol. Also kind of funny he lives in the US where the "left-wing party" gets 20% of the vote in the left primaries so maybe his political compass is slightly off in terms of what is center here lol

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    Pretty much, as his signature legislation was just copying Romney's healthcare plan for Massachusetts. Was hilarious seeing Romney run against his own healthcare plan in 2012.
    BCBS executives wrote the bill's language.

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    You are the one that twisted it into "hyper" inflation.

    Still pulling the same .
    feel bad for you having to fight this battle. but dont worry any minute more conservative posters gonna show up because they definitely not avoiding this thread

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    Pretty much, as his signature legislation was just copying Romney's healthcare plan for Massachusetts. Was hilarious seeing Romney run against his own healthcare plan in 2012.
    You know you not in Europe, right? lol. US Cons ution is basically the Capitalist Manifesto and the entire 20th century was (very thankfully) a story of people escaping Winehole style countries to live in Capitalism. No surprise the center here is right of Europe. Also I dont even care about any of that stuff and like most Dem primary voters dont want most of the things you guys want so time you guys learned that a little bit and accepted you are in very distinct minority outside of the enclaves you coccoon yourself off in

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    Honestly think some of these posters need a 2006 garmin level GPS to figure out what hemisphere they are in when they grade these politicians lolol. We remind them every 4 years in the Dem primaries but then they say they had the most popular ideas and its just a series "One Weird Trick" that makes them lose over and over hahah

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    Honestly think some of these posters need a 2006 garmin level GPS to figure out what hemisphere they are in when they grade these politicians lolol. We remind them every 4 years in the Dem primaries but then they say they had the most popular ideas and its just a series "One Weird Trick" that makes them lose over and over hahah
    Very leftist of Obama when he protected Rick Snyder's privatization of Flint's water poisoning the city's residents or when he assembled a financial team that stretched from Goldman to Sachs after those crooks took down our economy in 2008.

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    Ronnie found the government credit card after going away from the gold standard and wrecked that . It was so bad, he eventually had to do a tax hike.
    this is labeled as a bad thing by the teabagger contingent but being fiscally flexible is a good thing. Bush the Greater going back on that asinine pledge should be applauded as well. There is nothing wrong with being pragmatic in a real world crisis.

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    this is labeled as a bad thing by the teabagger contingent but being fiscally flexible is a good thing. Bush the Greater going back on that asinine pledge should be applauded as well. There is nothing wrong with being pragmatic in a real world crisis.
    Agreed but Ronnie’s reasons for being fiscally flexible were re ed. Deficit spending to finance tax cuts for rich people and stock buybacks is the dumbest possible form of deficit spending.

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    You know you not in Europe, right? lol. US Cons ution is basically the Capitalist Manifesto and the entire 20th century was (very thankfully) a story of people escaping Winehole style countries to live in Capitalism. No surprise the center here is right of Europe. Also I dont even care about any of that stuff and like most Dem primary voters dont want most of the things you guys want so time you guys learned that a little bit and accepted you are in very distinct minority outside of the enclaves you coccoon yourself off in
    Not really sure what you’re saying here but I think the future of the Democratic Party is what I’d call the “ins utional progressive.” Not people like AOC or Bernie but people like Matt Cartwright, Sherrod Brown, Tammy Baldwin, Ruben Gallego etc. who want to work within the bounds of America’s ins utions to make America more like Western Europe in terms of its social safety net and public programs. I’d even say Biden as president has largely operated with this objective. The original BBB plan he wanted would have been the strongest safety net legislation since the Great Society.

    Most Dem primary voters might not want full blown single payer healthcare but they definitely want something a lot closer to single payer healthcare than what we currently have (a public option, more price controls, etc.). The median Dem primary voter isn’t a socialist or anything but I think they absolutely believe the country needs significant reform on things like healthcare, campaign finance, taxes, and climate change and isn’t happy with the current status quo.

    Regarding Obama there’s more he could have done to make Obamacare better but I don’t squarely put the blame on him when there were so many in his own party who railroaded Obamacare, and I blame the fact he didn’t do more largely on his inexperience, not his ideology. I think he took office and was blindsided by the amount of conservadems in congress who wanted to obstruct his agenda and he didn’t have the ins utional knowledge to deal with it.

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    As fast as calf-tats repeatedly says he DGAF about what anyone is saying in several threads, tbh.
    i can't believe he still comes here for the abuse, it's been YEARS!

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    Hey, it wont be much longer…

    those dolla’s will be trickling down to the average murican any day now!

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    The Party of Racism and Pootin, McCarthy agrees to breach debt ceiling

    McCarthy's devil deal comes to light:

    Letting the nation breach the debt ceiling


    The plan is to allow the debt ceiling to be breached,

    and then to direct the Treasury Department on how to prioritize debt payments.

    What they hadn’t said out loud was that they were willing to do the unthinkable:

    Force a debt ceiling breach.

    Since 1917, the debt ceiling has never been breached.

    Now the GOP wants to do it,

    but supposedly with a plan.


    six sources involved in negotiations confirm that

    McCarthy agreed to pass a payment prioritization bill in the next few months.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/17/2147675/-McCarthy-s-devil-deal-comes-to-light-Letting-the-nation-breach-the-debt-ceiling

    payment prioritization? pay the debts with the current limit, and stuff at the bottom of the priority list gets little or nothing

    btw, no other industrial country has a national debt limit.

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    the greed is out of control


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    Not really sure what you’re saying here but I think the future of the Democratic Party is what I’d call the “ins utional progressive.” Not people like AOC or Bernie but people like Matt Cartwright, Sherrod Brown, Tammy Baldwin, Ruben Gallego etc. who want to work within the bounds of America’s ins utions to make America more like Western Europe in terms of its social safety net and public programs. I’d even say Biden as president has largely operated with this objective. The original BBB plan he wanted would have been the strongest safety net legislation since the Great Society.

    Most Dem primary voters might not want full blown single payer healthcare but they definitely want something a lot closer to single payer healthcare than what we currently have (a public option, more price controls, etc.). The median Dem primary voter isn’t a socialist or anything but I think they absolutely believe the country needs significant reform on things like healthcare, campaign finance, taxes, and climate change and isn’t happy with the current status quo.

    Regarding Obama there’s more he could have done to make Obamacare better but I don’t squarely put the blame on him when there were so many in his own party who railroaded Obamacare, and I blame the fact he didn’t do more largely on his inexperience, not his ideology. I think he took office and was blindsided by the amount of conservadems in congress who wanted to obstruct his agenda and he didn’t have the ins utional knowledge to deal with it.
    Winehole and baseline bum sitting around pretending Obamacare is a right-wing idea in America is ing re ed and if they weren't both old as I'd say we need to get some child proof locks on all the Overton Windows in this country. Romneycare iirc was made in Massachusetts and they overcame a ton of line item vetoes from Romney to pass the bill anyways

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    the greed is out of control

    Those mother ers. And nothing will be done to them over price gouging

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    hOw dO tHeY pLAn tO mAKe iT dEfiCiT nEuTrAl?

    Congressman Vern Buchanan announced today that he has reintroduced the TCJA Permanency Act (H.R.976), legislation to make permanent tax cuts for individuals and small businesses originally enacted as part of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017. Buchanan was joined by 72 of his House Republican colleagues as original cosponsors in introducing this bill.

    Without Congressional action, 23 different provisions of the 2017 Republican tax law are set to expire after 2025.
    https://buchanan.house.gov/media-cen...ses/TCJAPA-118

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    Agreed but Ronnie’s reasons for being fiscally flexible were re ed. Deficit spending to finance tax cuts for rich people and stock buybacks is the dumbest possible form of deficit spending.
    Sure and then the economy tanked and he raised taxes. It is obviously not ideal but compared to the MAGA modern GOP it was much preferable.

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    Nearly half of the Senate Republican Conference has signed on to a letter to President Biden warning they will not vote for any bill to raise the nation’s debt limit unless it’s connected to spending cuts to address the nation’s $31 trillion debt.

    The letter, led by conservative Sens. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Ted Budd (R-N.C.), says it is the policy of the Republican conference that any increase in the debt ceiling must be accompanied by cuts in federal spending or “meaningful structural reform in spending.”
    https://thehill.com/business/3836021...iscal-reforms/

    They only care about deficits when it means tax cuts for their cons uents or program funding cuts for those that are not their cons uents and their useful idiots.

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