I tried to extend you an olive branch yesterday but you a clown and didn’t take it...... now let’s get to the business of me exposing you little boy. Check this out goofy, keep your mouth shut and maybe everyone on this board won’t be able to truly quantify your stupidity. Thanks again..... ( signed your Idol )
The point is also that yes, I value dollar for dollar cap space to Jakob in the least part because you can always find a non offensive Center if you need one for that money. No matter what imo there was zero reason to sign him and eat any space regardless of how trivial that space may be.
How can you breathe wearing Pop's diaper like this? And I stuck up for you when Nathan was spouting his racist BS. SMH
Leave it to ATL Spur to ignore the fact that I like the Vassell pick and hope he plays because he's too busy eating Pop's .
Maybe I misremember it. Did you say you wanted Poeltl gone under any cir stance?
EDIT: I see you're saying that now and am fine believing you said that then.
I said 8m or less was my limit but my preference was to let him go. And the context of 8M was if lma and ddr were moved for capital that the 8m Jakob space might have netted more or less
Nathan......take up for ME???? Lol. Hey man thanks for doing the right thing(denouncing racism)��������. I see dead people ...... this dudes a SUCKA!!! Find a mentor!
Atl Spur the only guy to eat sandwiches with sides of diarrhea soup, smile, and ask for seconds.
That wouldn't've netted more cap space though. And why not trade Murray? He's more overpaid than Poeltl is. At least Jakob can point to a lot of centers who are getting comparable or better deals this off-season.
I can’t search on here for some reason but I’ usually post on Twitter much of what I post here:
Before Jakob signed:
My max was 8m but that as I explained was just my number to not absolutely loose my sh*t lol. Def no where close to “extraordinary value”
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I was fine with punting a little space if they already secured extra picks. Made it more palatable to be a little more compe ive now with Jakob vs without him.
wow Davis Bertans 5 yr $80 million. Just wow. Congratulations to him. Getting traded away from the Spurs got him paid and played regularly... He never would have gotten that in the Spurs 4sure...Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Poop just could not figure out how to use Davis.
Which is at 3 or even 2, imo
I think you realized it while you were typing the paragraph but that's the exact argument why bringing back Poeltl needed to be done with care. He's a good player but he's also much more replaceable than someone like, for example, Derrick White. If you need a center, a really good one like Serge Ibaka or Marc Gasol or whoever is always an MLE contract away from obtaining these days. It's now a position that you can pretty easily fill when the need arises.
Poeltl's contract really isn't worth harping on because by my estimation the Spurs overpaid him by less than 1% of the cap (or, if you will, the same amount of dead money on the books for DeMarre Carroll in 2021-22) but I worry that the Spurs aren't as disciplined as they used to be about the cap. Maybe they are but they just see Poeltl as being less replaceable than I view him. I guess we'll see soon enough.
Why? How? Did you want to trade all the young players away? That would be foolish. Otherwise there's nothing to do but pare away vets and clearly they haven't seen options for DDR or LMA yet.
The future of the team is in the 5-7 young guards and wings and further draft picks. That's it. That's what rebuilding is about. You're foolish if you think they're going to get Giannis or miraculously trade two expiring vets for a game-changer. Instead you should admire the fact that we aren't simply hoping on Derrick White this year, as we were at the beginning of last season, but rather excited that we have Keldon and Lonnie and other players who are looking like they are ready to shine.
You really loved the late years of the Pau Gasol experiment, didn't you?
Ibaka was available for the MLE because it's L.A., they're a contender and he's apparently one of the few who can stomach S bag's antics. Meanwhile, despite some catch all metrics still painting him as an impact defender, Gasol is on the verge of the cliff (if he hasn't already gone off it).
Who cares about the cap? They've still got plenty of '21 space, we know they won't use it as a dumping ground for dead money to extract pick(s) and the only way markets like this can even attract B listers is by making absurd offers.
I mean, Poeltl is being paid less than the MLE, so I don't consider that a good alternative. I also don't believe he's irreplaceable. I do believe, though, that since you are going to probably use that money on a center anyway, you may as well keep the one you have rather than use in on like Plumlee. I'd've felt completely differently had the Spurs drafted Jalen Smith instead of Vassell or even if they'd've found a way to pick Oturu and still re-upped Eubanks.
With all of the guards on the team, there's no expectation that you're going to spend eight figures for a bench player. They shouldn't be paying Murray $16 Million if they're paying White $20 Million and are also looking to pay Walker or Johnson coming up. It's not a sustainable strategy to do that, whereas Poeltl will probably be the starting center for the final two seasons and then will be gone by the time Johnson's new contract would kick in.
I don't think SA has ever been that disciplined. They were just way better at holding onto depth for cheap contracts and had stars who constantly took less to stay. They've traded multiple assets over the years to get rid of bad money, and before we saw this string of dead money on the books, they were doing it with guys like McDyess. As I've mentioned before, they gave Splitter $36M/4 against a $59-Million cap. Sure centers aren't as valuable, but adjusting for inflation means the team reflects that and more. I also don't think Poeltl will be in the top-15 highest-paid centers this upcoming season, maybe not even to 20. I'm not going to start saying I love the deal or even that I was okay with it. But I do understand it, and I think it makes more sense to sign Poeltl and then look for to develop a replacement for 2023 than it would sign all three of the young guards if they don't all break out.Spurs aren't as disciplined as they used to be about the cap. Maybe they are but they just see Poeltl as being less replaceable than I view him. I guess we'll see soon enough.
[Poertl is our starting center the season after this unless the spurs sign a starting forward for no less than 80% of his salary. A one year salary would be better for the team of course, but poretle wasn't taking that. None of the Spurs prospects including samamic, lyles, and eubanks, are starting quality. peortle isn't a star, but if the spurs see him as the centerpiece (c) , then i see no problem with the spend.
They are obviously going to retool the team next year. Unless the spurs know the coach that is coming in, the best option is to muddle into the middle and let pop and the vets ride off together.
What people don't get is that if you don't sign Poeltl now and reach for an aging player or someone who is uncertain both in the system and in San Antonio, the likelihood of having to replace that slot goes up quite a bit in the next few years. You try to get Marc Gasol? Fine, then you're having to replace him in two years, maybe even one. Maybe he gets hurt in three months. Replacing that slot in two years likely is more expensive then cementing Poeltl now.
Fundmentally, posters don't understand the team they purport to follow, nor their general philosophies. This is why you see calls to trade for Russell Westbrook. It's just dumb; maybe the Spurs do this, but it would mean a vast shift from their inherent basketball ideology.
Getting known quan ies established at fair prices helps every other decision down the line. This is a franchise where a bad mistake is hard to fix. They're not Houston or LA where they can throw money around or expect torrents of players to show up and want to play just because.
Per Shams
Baynes to TOR -and Fat Gasol to LAL
Lakers are ringing again next year and it makes me puke. There's just no one on their level unless they face some injuries.
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If they are, that means S bag isn't, so excellent news.
Gasol is borderline washed, but a good fit nonetheless. He can space the floor around James and Davis and add needed (unless they start Schroder) secondary play making, split minutes and play some with Harrell and defend Jokic/Embiid.
despite our complaints, this will be the best spurs team since the kawhi trade.
not happy about the frontcourt though.
raptors got baynes for less than the spurs got jakob
Who cares about “replacing” poeltl. It’s easy and there’s no reason to pay him especially if you clearly aren’t trying to win
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