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    Wagner earned his spot on the team with stellar grades (a perfect 4.0 GPA), and a pursuit of an Organizational Studies program that accepts only around 25 percent of Michigan students who apply to the program. He was also named an Academic All-Big Ten selection in 2021 and is a two-time U-M Academic Achievement honoree. In 2020, he was honored as the U-M Academic Success Program's Male Rookie of the Year.

    Honestly might take Wagner just for the high IQ he'd bring to the team. It might be the most important thing the team has lacked the last few years other than top-tier talent.

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    I doubt they'll go guard (expecting Sengun first, Kispert second), but I'm warming to the idea of Mann, particularly in a trade back scenario. Reminds me of Russell or a taller Garland. Sure, he'll probably never put much pressure on the rim and is likely to be a minus defender, but he has a modern skillset and the rough outline of an offensive "engine".

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    Honestly might take Wagner just for the high IQ he'd bring to the team. It might be the most important thing the team has lacked the last few years other than top-tier talent.
    Agreed. Team makes head-scratching decisions too often. Funny enough, most of it comes from the vets. (that play where they left a man wide open for a 3 and three people were in the paint with Dedmon and Dedmon STILL outrebounded them all because noone would box him out and stupid ing Mills fouled him for an and1 is still burned in my mind)

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    The more I look at Vrenz Bleijenbergh, the more I'm intrigued.

    20 years old. 6'10" playmaker from Belgium. He has skill as a long, mobile offensive initiator and passer that the Spurs don't have right now, except for Derrick who's not long, but is our best initiator. Derrick has chronic injury questions though. Bleijenbergh is a solid shooter from deep. He's got possibilities as a point forward, and I think that's what this current Spurs equation tangibly lacks, along with 3-point consistency. He's the player I keep wishing Luka will be.

    I don't think the Spurs can contend with Dejounte as a traditional starting point guard. Derrick is the starter, with DJ as a much better 6th man than a traditional starting point guard. I can see Vrenz as a point forward initiating offense with solid defensive switchability to cover multiple positions.

    I think he'll be drafted long before the Spurs pick at #41, where he would be a no-brainer. Does he warrant being drafted at #12 though? I'm not sure yet. (Maybe trade down to get him + another pick?) But given the shortcomings of the Spurs' current guard collection, his skillset has my attention.
    it would be great if we could get him in the 2nd round or some how moved back into the low 1st and grabbed him. I liked this guy early on due to watching an interview he did with NBA DRAFT JUNKIES YouTube. They are the same folks who do draft dummies on Twitter. He looks like he could be a solid overall NBA player in the right situation.

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    The more I look at Vrenz Bleijenbergh, the more I'm intrigued.

    20 years old. 6'10" playmaker from Belgium. He has skill as a long, mobile offensive initiator and passer that the Spurs don't have right now, except for Derrick who's not long, but is our best initiator. Derrick has chronic injury questions though. Bleijenbergh is a solid shooter from deep. He's got possibilities as a point forward, and I think that's what this current Spurs equation tangibly lacks, along with 3-point consistency. He's the player I keep wishing Luka will be.

    I don't think the Spurs can contend with Dejounte as a traditional starting point guard. Derrick is the starter, with DJ as a much better 6th man than a traditional starting point guard. I can see Vrenz as a point forward initiating offense with solid defensive switchability to cover multiple positions.

    I think he'll be drafted long before the Spurs pick at #41, where he would be a no-brainer. Does he warrant being drafted at #12 though? I'm not sure yet. (Maybe trade down to get him + another pick?) But given the shortcomings of the Spurs' current guard collection, his skillset has my attention.
    I wish he’d last to the Spurs second pick… but he’s gonna go in the first round. If by some miracle he’s there in the 2nd round, we should all be ecstatic and make sacrifices to our God - Tim Duncan

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    Agreed. Team makes head-scratching decisions too often. Funny enough, most of it comes from the vets. (that play where they left a man wide open for a 3 and three people were in the paint with Dedmon and Dedmon STILL outrebounded them all because noone would box him out and stupid ing Mills fouled him for an and1 is still burned in my mind)
    How about DJ always leaving 3 point shooters open in 2 point games. The whole team has a problem with low IQ play. It's just that the young players don't have the talent to make up for it.

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    I doubt they'll go guard (expecting Sengun first, Kispert second), but I'm warming to the idea of Mann, particularly in a trade back scenario. Reminds me of Russell or a taller Garland. Sure, he'll probably never put much pressure on the rim and is likely to be a minus defender, but he has a modern skillset and the rough outline of an offensive "engine".
    Agree on the analysis. If they strike out on their first choices, then that’s a good idea. Or Duarte who I think would contribute immediately and will probably contribute more to winning than Kispert in the end.

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    Is Ibou Badji in this year's draft? If so, I would like to have him if possible.

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    Is Ibou Badji in this year's draft? If so, I would like to have him if possible.
    If he is, he will withdraw. Not enough name recognition to expect a first...

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    Murray White Johnson Samanic Poeltl
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    Would this team be any good ?

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    Murray White Johnson Samanic Poeltl
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    Good lottery odds. A lot of ping pong balls.

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    Good lottery odds. A lot of ping pong balls.
    Frankly idk...its debatable the contribution of our veterans. For how much they were important on offense (but mostly limiting it to a 2 point offense thanks to DDR) they were totally limiting our defense (Mills and DDR were two of the worst defensive players and Gay, while numbers seems to tell the opposite, was not that good at the eye test, at least). that said, the ten players above cames along with a sort of 40/50 millions in cap space...aka anough, if there is an opportunity, to sign, in a good FA market, a first and a second option...with such two players the team would look not that shabby...and probably play offs bound.

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    If he is, he will withdraw. Not enough name recognition to expect a first...
    If he stays in, hopefully he'll slide down to us. I remember seeing a couple of mock drafts with us taking him months ago.

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    Frankly idk...its debatable the contribution of our veterans. For how much they were important on offense (but mostly limiting it to a 2 point offense thanks to DDR) they were totally limiting our defense (Mills and DDR were two of the worst defensive players and Gay, while numbers seems to tell the opposite, was not that good at the eye test, at least). that said, the ten players above cames along with a sort of 40/50 millions in cap space...aka anough, if there is an opportunity, to sign, in a good FA market, a first and a second option...with such two players the team would look not that shabby...and probably play offs bound.
    Rudy would be the only one I’d want back.

    I just remember the first Suns game (March?), right before White sprained his ankle. DD and DJ were rested, and we beat their asses, like 20+. Their announcers actually said they wished DD were playing, because they’d then know how to defend us.

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    Murray White Johnson Samanic Poeltl
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    Would this team be any good ?
    You eliminate the black holes on this team, give more opportunities for 3s, and have way better defense. All of the main reasons why the Spurs gave up so many losses (instead of the simplistic "no talent derp"). 5th seed, IMO.

    P.S. oh and no player out due to COVID + no game every other day helps, too.

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    Murray White Johnson Samanic Poeltl
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    It would be better than last years team by a good margin.

    Box score watchers just don’t get it.

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    Murray White Johnson Samanic Poeltl
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    Candidate for worse offense in the NBA. Defense would be good maybe top 5.

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    Murray White Johnson Samanic Poeltl
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    I believe so...qualified by an expectation of letting the vets go and using cap space to bring in shooting in the form of a couple players like ... McDermott, THJ, OPJ, etc

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    Murray White Johnson Samanic Poeltl
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    I would love to see what this team could do. I wonder if KJ can cover opposing 3s, but if he can this is an incredible defensive line up. If the beautiful game returned they might score enough to make some noise.

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    For a few games then they’d get figured out. There’s no real go-to guy in there. That group would also have with the refs too.

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    Spurs like players with high defensive upside even Lonnie was known as a two-way prospect at the time of the draft because of his wingspan, screen navigation and footspeed. Hard to see them picking Tre Mann, Alperen Sengun, Corey Kispert. Bouknight and Keon have sneaky good defensive floor. I think they are betting on future two-way players who maybe can create their own shot. In a way that is the same as how the Raptors draft.

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    Anybody see that tweet(I think Bleacher Report was the source) speculating about Indiana shipping us Sabonis and they get Lonnie, Jakob, 2022 1st rounder and 2024 1st rounder? I did not read the original so I am assuming it was somebody speculating about what would be a good trade. I have to admit, I am intrigued.

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    Here it is

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    Anybody see that tweet(I think Bleacher Report was the source) speculating about Indiana shipping us Sabonis and they get Lonnie, Jakob, 2022 1st rounder and 2024 1st rounder? I did not read the original so I am assuming it was somebody speculating about what would be a good trade. I have to admit, I am intrigued.
    25, 3 more years under contract.

    It wasn’t a terrible scenario from a spurs fan perspective. The draft capital could hurt if the team doesn’t shake out to be compe ive. Jakob is a very tradeable asset but the pacers wouldn’t need a specialist type player if they are bottoming out, so would look to flip him elsewhere for more picks. So essentially they are taking a flier on Lonnie, picks, and the potential for more picks.

    Of all the “I have nothing better to write about” trade scenarios I’ve seen on social media, that was on its face one of the better ones.

    Murray/White/Keldon/Samanic/Sabonis - fill out the bench in FA and in the draft. Not a bad young team by any stretch. But they have to pan out or the future is ed.

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    I don’t think the pacers would ever do that trade

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