How are Trump supporters denying that he's the worst president in American history?
And youre refusing to acknowledge their obvious similarities. They all work for their billionaire masters. And ultimately will do their bidding.
If the masters say 100k or 200k deaths are acceptable. So be it.
Do you really think Mike Pence will do any better?
I literally just said "they both suck" pretty sure that's acknowledging their similarities.
Glad that you're not denying the fact you're ignoring their differences though.
Re this edit: no, I don't, Mike Penis is from the same political party that's focused on rendering the government as useless as possible so it can convince Americans that the government is the problem.Do you really think Mike Pence will do any better?
I think you know that I'm not saying Penis is better but you're resorting to strawman arguments because you have no good faith argument to make for why you're voting for Trump.
I think Biden is absolutely better. Nowhere near as much as I'd like him to be, but much better than Trump.
Inrespect you opinion. I dont see any area where Biden is clearly better as he can barely put 2 sentences together.
But I respect that
I'll explain why I think he's better (non-exhaustive list, but most demonstrable):Inrespect you opinion. I dont see any area where Biden is clearly better as he can barely put 2 sentences together.
But I respect that
- He wants to reverse most Trump's tax cuts. Doesn't go nearly far enough to correct how flawed our tax code is, but a 28% corporate tax rate is 33% higher than 21% corporate tax rate (before any Trump wants to correct me and say hurr durr no it's 7% higher, (28-21)/21 = 33%). Trump's tax cuts did nothing but add to the deficit and didn't create any jobs.
- He wants to follow Bernie's suggestion and raise the cap gains tax rate to the ordinary income tax rate. There's no disputing that this is something billionaires will hate, the bull cap gains tax rate is how they're able to pay lower taxes than working class Americans.
- Adding a public option to Obamacare brings a step closer to single payer healthcare and it takes a lot of power employers have over employees away. I think you'll see millions of people switch to the public option which will force private insurance & private providers to reduce costs. Again, doesn't go far enough, but it's much better than Trump wanting to repeal Obamacare and allow insurance companies to people over more than they ever did before.
Those are tangible differences you can't glibly write off.
Pep talk.
derp can't say why he's voting for Trump.
Two bigly things, people tell me, good people have said repeatedly:
Derp loves being dominated by alpha males like trump (#DerpDreamingAlphaMales), and
The derp is a big “golden shower” fan, so he associates strongly with trump (#ThatAintRainComingDownOnDerp) .
Probably the most important thing you to consider hater, as spurraider21 has keenly pointed out, re-electing Trump isn't going to bring us any closer to a candidate like Sanders and AOC. It'll only shift the country further to the right and make a progressive Democratic party more unachievable.
Sanders did worse in 2020 than he did in 2016 despite having more name recognition, more money and resources, and more friendly superdelegate rules than 4 years ago. Some of that was because of Hillary being a bad candidate but a lot of it was because of how scared Democrats were of Trump getting re-elected so they were focused on nominating someone who was "electable." If we get another 4 years of Trump, the hysteria over finding someone "electable" to make sure the Democrats win will be even worse in 2024. Any progressive candidate won't have a prayer of winning the primary, every commentator on MSNBC will be saying Mitt Romney should run as a Democrat.
Meanwhile, Democrats will be more likely to pick a left wing primary challenger in 2024 if Biden gets elected with both houses of congress and settles on half-assed stimulus and healthcare solutions. Sanders went from being a noname socialist in Vermont to winning over 40% of the primary vote in 2016 because a lot of primary voters were of the opinion that yeah Obama was better than the Republicans are but I want a candidate who's going to seek meaningful reform over another Democrat who will just maintain the status quo.
Disagree with this premise. US is a rightwing state. Their establishment "lefties" are right wing. A Biden win means nothing for 2024. It actually increases chances of a republican winning.
Look what happened after 8 years of Obama, we got Trump.
The only chance USA has of ever having a true left wing is for a huge revolution (doesnt have to involve violence) in their "democratic" party that will install true lefties at the helm.
If Trump wins 2020 that revolution will be closer.
Yeah lets wait for nanny state to tell us how to protect ourselves
wow you’re getting on from many different directions. Your passive aggressive anti American schtick is failing you here
called it.
Biden is running a campaign on promising things he will not do.
He will not do for me
Why will Trump do for you?
Not much. Im not voting for him.
But hopefully another epic defeat will bring a revolution to democrats (long shot)
How will it be closer? After 4 years of Trump, all that's happened within the Democratic Party is the establishment having a larger stranglehold on power and people being less willing to nominate a progressive candidate. The Democratic Party moved to the left while Obama was president (not a chance Bernie gets 40+% of the primary vote in 2008) while it's moved to the right under Trump's presidency. Take a look at the primary, Bernie lost largely because all of the undecided voters who swung towards Biden at the last minute due to fear over Trump winning again.
Our government's setup basically makes it so we're tethered to the status quo and quick, significant changes to the status quo are virtually impossible (which only gets worse if RBG gets replaced by another conservative judge who looks for reasons to strike progressive policy). Under Biden, the status quo shifts to the left from where it is now. Under 4 more years of Trump, the status quo shifts violently further right and the Democratic Party follows it to the right like it always has.
Wasn't hater going to vote for Joe until he picked Kamala? Or was this just another Karrin/Snakeboy "Biden is my guy but..." trump excuse
So you're not voting for him but you are thinking "hopefully" he will win?
Is that like airborne but not living airborne?
I’m not sure what the answer is, but I’m positive that In two weeks, no one will be taking about this anymore because Americans have the attention spans of a house fly....I think Trump could take a dump during a press conference and we’d still end up voting 50/50 come November.
Don't worry, there's 7 weeks left. That's enough time for at least 14 more switches on his "calls" and his vote. All bases will be covered.Wasn't hater going to vote for Joe until he picked Kamala? Or was this just another Karrin/Snakeboy "Biden is my guy but..." trump excuse
So Biden isn't left leaning enough for you... and the solution is to elect somebody further to the right of Biden?
Probably, which is my point. After 4 years of Biden passing ty legislation in the name of "bipartisan compromise" Democratic primary voters will be more fed up with the establishment and more receptive to the idea that we need a more left wing candidate. If Trump wins, Pelosi and Schumer will continue to be able to crywell it's Trump's fault not ours
Nothing hurts the establishment Democrats more than when they have control of the White House and both houses of Congress and fail to do anything with it (my theory has always been that they didn't mind getting s acked in the 2010 midterms since it gave them an excuse to keep the status quo), but give them Republicans who they can blame on and Democratic primary voters see them in a much better light.
I get what you're saying, the idea that the Democratic Party losing to Trump AGAIN will force it to get blown up seems like the logical thought, but in a 2 party system major parties don't get blown up. The DNC will make more superficial changes to appear welcoming towards progressives the way it did 4 years ago but come primary time it'll run Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney because they're "electable".
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