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    Yeah feel free to explain to me how banning STEM visas is going to bring middle class manufacturing jobs back to the US.
    They need middle class workers to program the robots doing the manufacturing

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    They need middle class workers to program the robots doing the manufacturing
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    Trump could run on a platform of vengeance against main stream media (whatever the that is) and be just fine
    This is what will happen.

    -His followers are convinced he's trying to buck the system
    - His followers are convinced he's a victim of the press
    - His re-election will provide the means to perpetuate the race war
    - His re-election will provide the means to continue the Covid debates
    - He has proven he can spend money just like all other presidents
    - He has played the villan role perfectly, so why stop now


    But rest assured, either canditate will be a good servant to the masters.

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    I just spoke to my close buddy who is jewish voting Conservative for the first time in 2020

    Democrats lost us at political correctness and now doubling down with the anarchist. Until recently I still considered USA the beacon of free speech. This is being challenged.

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    He’ll just run with the same fearmongering “they’re trying to ruin the America we know and love” that’s worked for decades on old white people and he’ll do fine.

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    I just spoke to my close buddy who is jewish voting Conservative for the first time in 2020

    Democrats lost us at political correctness and now doubling down with the anarchist. Until recently I still considered USA the beacon of free speech. This is being challenged.
    Yes we all have the "friend" that holds a different political views that sees manna from heaven and promises to vote one way or the other.

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    They’ll also return to their classic form because after 4 years it’s obvious Trump is a globalist charlatan who couldn’t give two s about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the Midwest.
    Yup, that's what I pointed out when I said he's the in bent now, and that's actually not a plus. He was an unknown material back in '16, and with that you bring in some sort of hope he'll change things. Now people know he won't.

    That doesn't mean Biden will, but they do have a measure of Trump that they didn't have in '16, and that's where in bency hurts.

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    Yup, that's what I pointed out when I said he's the in bent now, and that's actually not a plus. He was an unknown material back in '16, and with that you bring in some sort of hope he'll change things. Now people know he won't.

    That doesn't mean Biden will, but they do have a measure of Trump that they didn't have in '16, and that's where in bency hurts.
    even obummer won by a slimmer margin in 2012 than he did in 08

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    This is what will happen.

    -His followers are convinced he's trying to buck the system
    - His followers are convinced he's a victim of the press
    - His re-election will provide the means to perpetuate the race war
    - His re-election will provide the means to continue the Covid debates
    - He has proven he can spend money just like all other presidents
    - He has played the villan role perfectly, so why stop now


    But rest assured, either canditate will be a good servant to the masters.
    Who is Trump's master (s)?

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    2020 Trump is in a precarious position...2016 Trump was more so an unknown in the political arena--2020 Trump has a baseline. People who didn't vote for him in 2016 aren't going to line up to vote for him this time--his presidency has been a disaster. People who voted for him the first time may or may not vote for him this time around (buyers remorse). People who didn't vote at all in 2016 will get up to vote this time around just to get rid of him.

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    There's a nationwide epidemic, an economic collapse and civil unrest....

    Even his culture war is failing because no one believes Joe Biden is anything other than a moderate who is a likable guy.

    Trump has nothing to run on... and Nancy Pelosi holds all the cards in terms of anymore bailouts.

    Trump looks like he's starting to lose his fighting spirit too.
    You don't know Republicans.

    He will run on race riots, immigrants, crime, tax cuts and being the only thing that can save this country from becoming a socialist dystopia. And he'll probably win with it because of the electoral college.

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    even obummer won by a slimmer margin in 2012 than he did in 08
    There is a portion of the American population that will by default side with change if unable to decide. Rooted in distrust of authority and heritage. Bring in the new crew and restart; cut tail and run. Society increasingly unable to stay focused on the long game.

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    There is a portion of the American population that will by default side with change if unable to decide. Rooted in distrust of authority and heritage. Bring in the new crew and restart; cut tail and run. Society increasingly unable to stay focused on the long game.
    It doesn't help that the 'long game' hasn't really paid off for the vast majority of Americans, tbh, and the prospect isn't getting any better... If it wouldn't be because of Medicare, I don't think half the boomers would vote the way they do now, IMO.

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    It doesn't help that the 'long game' hasn't really paid off for the vast majority of Americans, tbh, and the prospect isn't getting any better... If it wouldn't be because of Medicare, I don't think half the boomers would vote the way they do now, IMO.
    That is fair. I think Capitalism has this effect. My reference to change was meant to illustrate that USA is progressive by and large. Whether this is nature or nurture.

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    That is fair. I think Capitalism has this effect. My reference to change was meant to illustrate that USA is progressive by and large. Whether this is nature or nurture.
    The gradual tilt towards liberalism is really a global phenomenon, dating back to the mid-80s, 90s... it's just that social conservatism has lived well past it's expiration date, IMO, and traditionalist ins utions like the church has seen their influence wane progressively as well.

    With the exception of dictatorships (in many forms, like China, or theology-based ones like in the Middle East), the UK, some minor countries in Eastern Europe, and to a lesser extent the US are the last few bastions of hard line conservatism.

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    He will run on race riots, immigrants, crime, tax cuts and being the only thing that can save this country from becoming a socialist dystopia. And he'll probably win with it because of the electoral college.
    So he'll run on the same thing he did in 2016. Only difference here being riots.

    One issue is going to swing an election? He's failed at the bolded part pretty badly. He is also shown to be a poor leader who doesn't actually want to take responsibility for anything.

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    So he'll run on the same thing he did in 2016. Only difference here being riots.

    One issue is going to swing an election? He's failed at the bolded part pretty badly. He is also shown to be a poor leader who doesn't actually want to take responsibility for anything.
    This is the same playbook Republicans have used since the 60's. My point is it's silly to suggest Trump has to run on his record. He doesn't need a record or accomplishments. He has conservatives' predictable fear.

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    So he'll run on the same thing he did in 2016. Only difference here being riots.

    One issue is going to swing an election? He's failed at the bolded part pretty badly. He is also shown to be a poor leader who doesn't actually want to take responsibility for anything.
    Some people believe in systematic racism and others in systematic anarchism

    Like I said I think people will be pressured into blind change. But there is still plenty of time for new events to create new angles.

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    The gradual tilt towards liberalism is really a global phenomenon, dating back to the mid-80s, 90s... it's just that social conservatism has lived well past it's expiration date, IMO, and traditionalist ins utions like the church has seen their influence wane progressively as well.

    With the exception of dictatorships (in many forms, like China, or theology-based ones like in the Middle East), the UK, some minor countries in Eastern Europe, and to a lesser extent the US are the last few bastions of hard line conservatism.
    Liberalism has dominated the West unopposed since Nazis were destroyed. Stalin created an Eastern Sphere and that is why (we) they are different white.

    Whether people disagree or it is just too exotic, non-Whites are not catching the fever. South America is almost there. The Eastern hemisphere is is more ingrained.

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    Liberalism has dominated the West unopposed since Nazis were destroyed. Stalin created an Eastern Sphere and that is why (we) they are different white.

    Whether people disagree or it is just too exotic, non-Whites are not catching the fever. South America is almost there. The Eastern hemisphere is is more ingrained.
    It really doesn't go as far back in the US. I mean, the Civil Rights Act didn't come around until the 60s, and one would argue that if Nixon didn't destroy the Republican party, it was largely because of social conservatism being still fairly relevant. Even today, despite it's waning influence and overall hypocrisy, evangelicals still make up a decent block.

    There's still things to rescue in conservatism, like economics, but the election of Trump I think is also a tacit admission from social conservatives that their position nowadays is largely unrealistic and untenable.

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    It really doesn't go as far back in the US. I mean, the Civil Rights Act didn't come around until the 60s, and one would argue that if Nixon didn't destroy the Republican party, it was largely because of social conservatism being still fairly relevant. Even today, despite it's waning influence and overall hypocrisy, evangelicals still make up a decent block.

    There's still things to rescue in conservatism, like economics, but the election of Trump I think is also a tacit admission from social conservatives that their position nowadays is largely unrealistic and untenable.
    That is an angle I didn't consider. You are right, It wasn't until the hippie movement in the USA but darn did the Americans adapt quickly. In the USA since I have been following politics, conservatives seem to abandon every major issue. That is why I find myself in their corner today. They represent the edge of change holding the line of common sense.

    Yes economically my life long Republican (non-conservative) friends are not enthusiastic. Trump is too inconsistent/wide ranged for them. Impossible to get a read. I think there is promise on the horizon that Asians & Hispanic populations are booming and they tend to fall on the old fashioned side of the spectrum.

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    people making the exact same mistake of underestimating Trump, and overestimating the level of human decency in America.

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    people making the exact same mistake of underestimating Trump, and overestimating the level of human decency in America.
    I don't think it's decency as it is underestimating the level of stupidity

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    I don't think it's decency as it is underestimating the level of stupidity
    yeah, everybody should watch the Florida video in the other thread, tbh

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    I don't think it's decency as it is underestimating the level of stupidity
    It’s both tbh. There’s a ton of stupid, but there’s a ton of ignoring pure evil just so your taxes work out better.

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