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    Not when 1) you have a Republican administration McCain agreed with 91% of the time that was leaving the country in worse economic shape than every president since Herbert Hoover had left it in and 2) McCain had picked a bible thumping nutbag as his VP.

    Its also revisionist history to pretend the 2008 era Clinton supporters weren’t being loud or annoying in their displeasure with Obama as the candidate. Joe le happy merchant Lieberman (it’s unfortunate his ancestors were able to survive the holocaust tbh) was jockeying to be McCain’s ing VP pick once Obama won the primary

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    Meet the people behind Shadow Inc., the tech company that botched the Iowa caucus

    Here's what we know about who is connected to the glitchy caucus app,

    and which campaigns have worked with them



    https://www.salon.com/2020/02/04/meet-the-people-behind-shadow-inc-the-tech-company-that-botched-the-iowa-caucus/

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    Will Hunting booboo is a perfect example of those people losing their on twitter over conspiracy theories

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    Not when 1) you have a Republican administration McCain agreed with 91% of the time that was leaving the country in worse economic shape than every president since Herbert Hoover had left it in and 2) McCain had picked a bible thumping nutbag as his VP.

    Its also revisionist history to pretend the 2008 era Clinton supporters weren’t being loud or annoying in their displeasure with Obama as the candidate. Joe le happy merchant Lieberman (it’s unfortunate his ancestors were able to survive the holocaust tbh) was jockeying to be McCain’s ing VP pick once Obama won the primary
    Oh they absolutely were whiny sore losers, just saying 2008 Hillary to McCain is barely going center left to center right, while Bernie to Trump is an ideological chasm wider than Donna Brazile’s ass.

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    hence my complaint about it
    Electoral college at least makes sense on a national level. The super delegates and all this other stuff is just regional rigging.

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    Electoral college at least makes sense on a national level. The super delegates and all this other stuff is just regional rigging.
    they're the same stupid thing

    national election gives electors based on states
    state caucus gives delegates based on precincts

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    they're the same stupid thing

    national election gives electors based on states
    state caucus gives delegates based on precincts
    Not even close, Lite.

    One is a Cons utional staple of the republic; the other is party rigging.

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    Not even close, Lite.

    One is a Cons utional staple of the republic; the other is party rigging.
    they both give regional delegates instead of a popular vote. your characterizations dont change that.

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    they both give regional delegates instead of a popular vote. your characterizations dont change that.
    It's a real ing shame that illegal aliens aren't allowed to push you over the edge.

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    not only deflects but exacerbates

    bragging about how much richer he is than trump is such a tone-deaf maneuver
    That was my first thought too.

    Maybe he forgot he's in a Democrat primary now.

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    That was my first thought too.

    Maybe he forgot he's in a Democrat primary now.
    His ego is so big where he can’t help it...mine would be too if I was a self made billionaire

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    It's a real ing shame that illegal aliens aren't allowed to push you over the edge.
    the context where the electoral college made sense was way back in the day before all states decided to allow their citizens to vote for president.

    in the first ever presidential election, only 6 states allowed the people to vote. as the cons ution says, states individually decide how to allocate their electoral votes. other states just allowed their legislature to appoint the electors.

    so yeah, in a wacky system where different states have different methods of allocating electors, the college somewhat makes sense (assuming we are not taking into consideration the inherent imbalance because of the senate).

    but since the civil war, every single state has determined their electors by allowing a popular vote. now that there is that complete uniformity in the country, the original rationale behind the EC doesnt make sense anymore, from a practical perspective. sure, theoretically, tomorrow some states can change their laws going back to the old way and taking away the popular vote to decide electors (lol good luck getting that passed). barring that, the only reason to keep around the EC is to over the will of the majority on occasion

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    the context where the electoral college made sense was way back in the day before all states decided to allow their citizens to vote for president.

    in the first ever presidential election, only 6 states allowed the people to vote. as the cons ution says, states individually decide how to allocate their electoral votes. other states just allowed their legislature to appoint the electors.

    so yeah, in a wacky system where different states have different methods of allocating electors, the college somewhat makes sense (assuming we are not taking into consideration the inherent imbalance because of the senate).

    but since the civil war, every single state has determined their electors by allowing a popular vote. now that there is that complete uniformity in the country, the original rationale behind the EC doesnt make sense anymore, from a practical perspective. sure, theoretically, tomorrow some states can change their laws going back to the old way and taking away the popular vote to decide electors (lol good luck getting that passed). barring that, the only reason to keep around the EC is to over the will of the majority on occasion
    It was fine when the electors were reps (of the people), and it is fine that the people are now the electors.

    I don't know what "complete uniformity" is supposed to mean, but there's all kind of "wacky" shenanigans. It would be nonsense to put elections so easily in the hands of cheaters with the "popular vote".

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    It was fine when the electors were reps (of the people), and it is fine that the people are now the electors.

    I don't know what "complete uniformity" is supposed to mean, but there's all kind of "wacky" shenanigans. It would be nonsense to put elections so easily in the hands of cheaters with the "popular vote".
    "complete uniformity" in that now every single state runs a popular vote, such that we effectively have a national popular vote. you no longer have different states using different methods to pick their electors

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    "complete uniformity" in that now every single state runs a popular vote, such that we effectively have a national popular vote. you no longer have different states using different methods to pick their electors
    Of course the popular vote in states wins electors, Lite.

    That's why they call it voting.

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    Of course the popular vote in states wins electors, Lite.

    That's why they call it voting.
    that wasnt always the case though, which is why the EC had some value. like i said, it wasnt until the civil war that every state went to a popular vote to choose electors. in the first election only 6 states chose electors via popular vote

    so of course, if you have a country where several states dont have popular votes, it doesnt make sense to scrap the EC... because you have people in all those states who didnt get the opportunity to vote

    but that hasnt been the situation for over a century now. if popular vote has become the unanimous method of choosing electors, then it doesnt make sense to keep that middleman step which only serves the purpose of occasional ing over the will of the people

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    that wasnt always the case though, which is why the EC had some value. like i said, it wasnt until the civil war that every state went to a popular vote to choose electors. in the first election only 6 states chose electors via popular vote

    so of course, if you have a country where several states dont have popular votes, it doesnt make sense to scrap the EC... because you have people in all those states who didnt get the opportunity to vote

    but that hasnt been the situation for over a century now. if popular vote has become the unanimous method of choosing electors, then it doesnt make sense to keep that middleman step which only serves the purpose of occasional ing over the will of the people
    It still has a sh** load of value. It preserves states rights and protects against votes being bought and sold like currency.

    You're just too bitter to see it.

    #WithHerForever

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    It still has a sh** load of value. It preserves states rights and protects against votes being bought and sold like currency.

    You're just too bitter to see it.

    #WithHerForever
    what are these states rights you are referring to, and please explain this concept of votes being bought and sold, and how the EC prevents that?

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    Been busy. Who won? What's the official word?

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    It still has a sh** load of value. It preserves states rights and protects against votes being bought and sold like currency.
    How so?

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    Hillary to McCain just shows you’re kind of a .

    Bernie to Trump shows you’re a deeply flawed, unambiguously stupid sheep with no convictions or backbone (no offense to Nathan89)
    Nobody should take offense to your narrative tbh.

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    so when does the other 38% come in....are we gonna have to wait another 24 hours for it?

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