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    dont worry guys our stadium will be ok


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    surprised Nevada doesn't consider casinos and escort service essential business since that's how they make their revenue with no state income taxes and an otherwise weak economy

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    dont worry guys our stadium will be ok

    Booking flight to Vegas for the Saints-Raiders game as soon as the schedule is released. We have a big group coming.

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    because they are going to have to take on TE's and occasionally linemen in the run game and the screen game. while the league has become passing oriented, it's not like teams dont run the ball anymore. even KC survived in the superbowl because of damien williams on the ground tbh... but yeah, gone are the days of hulking unathletic "tackle machines"... now teams covet the more mobile linebackers like wagner, deion jones, cj mosely... the top ones in the draft are Isaiah Simmons (he's linebacker/safety), kenneth murray, patrick queen.

    if you just go with 7 traditonal DBs you're going to get bulldozed

    "base defense" used to be 3-4 or 4-3 fronts with 4 defensive backs, but nowadays the most common personnel group is nickel (1 less linebacker, 1 more corner) because most teams trot out 3 WR's and dont use fullbacks
    And whose to say speed isn't a better solution than strength in those situations? LB aren't as strong as linemen either way, might as well go with a faster defensive back than can avoid the block alltogether.

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    Yeah imagine Derrick Henry vs his idea of a defense
    If the tackler is in a good position, it doesn't make much of a difference if it's a linebacker or a defensive back making the tackle.

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    If the tackler is in a good position, it doesn't make much of a difference if it's a linebacker or a defensive back making the tackle.
    You and MM should hang out.

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    Booking flight to Vegas for the Saints-Raiders game as soon as the schedule is released. We have a big group coming.
    Hopefully Gruden won't go for 2 this time, huh?

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    And whose to say speed isn't a better solution than strength in those situations? LB aren't as strong as linemen either way, might as well go with a faster defensive back than can avoid the block alltogether.
    If the tackler is in a good position, it doesn't make much of a difference if it's a linebacker or a defensive back making the tackle.

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    Agree 95% but in all fairness, not sure if it would have made a difference if that was prime "Lewis #52" instead of earl thomas #29.

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    99% of the LB would get stiff armed the same way if they go so soft and erect (no pun).

    Actually, 90% of the LB probably don't even get to Henry to even attempt the tackle. If Thomas goes for the legs there, Henry is going down.

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    You and MM should hang out.
    You guys sound like 1990 basketball fans, tbh. I'll just wait for time to prove me right.

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    Speed >>>>>>>> strength for all non-linemen football players. In fact, even for linemen speed is still pretty ing important.

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    You guys sound like 1990 basketball fans, tbh. I'll just wait for time to prove me right.
    We've just been watching football for a long time and have an idea of what we are talking about. The game speeds up, then it slows down. When you get smaller LBs, bigger running backs run them over and the league adjusts. Nothing is static or absolute.

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    this is like when avante wannted to take fast midgets like dri archer and make them defensive ends

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    this is like when avante wannted to take fast midgets like dri archer and make them defensive ends

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    melvin gordon signs with broncos for 2/16

    he held out last year after turning down 4/40

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    99% of the LB would get stiff armed the same way if they go so soft and erect (no pun).

    Actually, 90% of the LB probably don't even get to Henry to even attempt the tackle. If Thomas goes for the legs there, Henry is going down.
    Yeah...I know. I just didn't want to spend the time looking for a gif of an RB running over a DS player who was in good position.
    I just don't buy your premise that a CB/S in the right position is sufficient to replace an LB.

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    melvin gordon signs with broncos for 2/16

    he held out last year after turning down 4/40
    stephen jackson, 2003, part deux

    atlanta hawks

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    We've just been watching football for a long time and have an idea of what we are talking about. The game speeds up, then it slows down. When you get smaller LBs, bigger running backs run them over and the league adjusts. Nothing is static or absolute.
    Are you implying I don't?

    Heck, I don't even think what I'm saying is all that revolutionary. With each passing season we are seeing teams play lineups with less and less LB's. 2 and even 1 LB lineups are pretty normal nowadays. I don't think it's that crazy to say that we are soon to experience teams with no LB lineups in certain situations (that later would expend more and more depending on the success they have).

    This reminds me of the center discussion in the NBA. Not too long ago people would laugh at the idea of a no center lineup. Nowadays, if you are still laughing at that, you haven't been paying attention. When advanced NFL stats get to the point NBA advanced stats are, it wouldn't surprise me to see that Linebackers aren't really all that necessary, if at all.

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    Are you implying I don't?

    Heck, I don't even think what I'm saying is all that revolutionary. With each passing season we are seeing teams play lineups with less and less LB's. 2 and even 1 LB lineups are pretty normal nowadays. I don't think it's that crazy to say that we are soon to experience teams with no LB lineups in certain situations (that later would expend more and more depending on the success they have).

    This reminds me of the center discussion in the NBA. Not too long ago people would laugh at the idea of a no center lineup. Nowadays, if you are still laughing at that, you haven't been paying attention. When advanced NFL stats get to the point NBA advanced stats are, it wouldn't surprise me to see that Linebackers aren't really all that necessary, if at all.
    tbh you are implying it

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    Speed >>>>>>>> strength for all non-linemen football players. In fact, even for linemen speed is still pretty ing important.
    They should just get Usain Bolt to play linebacker then!

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    tbf, the “run stuffing” interior linebackers like Brandon es who can’t cover running backs in the flat are going fully extinct, but to think linebackers will be phased out completely is just ridiculous and definitely something that a guy from Argentina would come up with.

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    Are you implying I don't?

    Heck, I don't even think what I'm saying is all that revolutionary. With each passing season we are seeing teams play lineups with less and less LB's. 2 and even 1 LB lineups are pretty normal nowadays. I don't think it's that crazy to say that we are soon to experience teams with no LB lineups in certain situations (that later would expend more and more depending on the success they have).

    This reminds me of the center discussion in the NBA. Not too long ago people would laugh at the idea of a no center lineup. Nowadays, if you are still laughing at that, you haven't been paying attention. When advanced NFL stats get to the point NBA advanced stats are, it wouldn't surprise me to see that Linebackers aren't really all that necessary, if at all.
    That’s because there’s more and more passing so your linebackers are spending more time in coverage and less time trying to shed blocks, plug gaps or tackle 240 pound running backs, which is different than what this conversation is about. It’s not easy to simply “avoid the block” when you’re trying to tackle in a tight space simply by being faster, which is why linebackers still play. A 220 pound safety trying to avoid getting blocked by Gronk is going to end up getting pancaked.

    Everyone is in agreement though that the tackle machine linebacker with mediocre athleticism (Zac Thomas, Takeo es, etc) is a thing of the past, but you still need to have some size at the linebacker position for between the tackle running.

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    That’s because there’s more and more passing so your linebackers are spending more time in coverage and less time trying to shed blocks, plug gaps or tackle 240 pound running backs, which is different than what this conversation is about. It’s not easy to simply “avoid the block” when you’re trying to tackle in a tight space simply by being faster, which is why linebackers still play. A 220 pound safety trying to avoid getting blocked by Gronk is going to end up getting pancaked.

    Everyone is in agreement though that the tackle machine linebacker with mediocre athleticism (Zac Thomas, Takeo es, etc) is a thing of the past, but you still need to have some size at the linebacker position for between the tackle running.
    not to mention the screen game... linemen and tight ends get involved there too, and you need guys strong enough to stack and shed to make a play on the ball carrier. you cant have a CB trying to get around a releasing tackle. gonna get blown up. outside of the best safeties, DBs are not usually going to bring down the better running backs with a solo tackle

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