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Kind of funny that Rasho also made $7M per year on his 6/42 deal. Of course it's apples and oranges because of how much the cap has ed, but I still found the coincidence amusing.
Lyles is a floor spacing big. That might be the most overpaid type of player in the league right now. Murray is a young guard who has shown a lot of potential -- another archetype that is being overpaid right now.
Traditional centers who don't shoot, don't score at an elite level and/or are unlikely to ever justify 30+ minutes is the exact type of player who no longer commands big money -- unfortunately for Poeltl, tbh.
Kind of funny that Rasho also made $7M per year on his 6/42 deal. Of course it's apples and oranges because of how much the cap has ed, but I still found the coincidence amusing.
Let's do the math...
Rasho made $5.6 million in 2003-04 in the first year of that deal. The salary cap that year was $43.84 million. Today the salary cap is $109.14 million. That means Rasho was making the equivalent of $13.9 million in today's NBA
It was always a bad idea, hence my DO NOT SIGN RASHO thread from 16 years ago, tbh.
Excited to see what Jacob can do this year. I hope they start him next to LA and Pop doesn’t play head games with him. Just let him play, make mistakes so they can truely see what they have.
I have no problem with 5 mil. for Poeltl. I‘m just wondering where the 20+ mil. for Murray are coming from. Has he proven anything that would justify that?
Well damn, that's a layer deeper. Really? Rasho was just so damn frustrating to me. He was so close to being so much more. It's hard to eliminate personal bias like that. My gut would say that Poeltl was a better finisher from close.
Of course Rasho played when big bigs were a necessity and commanded a premium price. Rasho may have been worth his salary at that time, but he sure as wouldn't be today. I think Poeltl will be more useful in the PnR this year, so I think he's more than an interchangeable drone for the Spurs. But that's still betting on him improving.
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On a team friend deal you absolutely extend him.
Sure, the question here is determining if 6, 7 or even 8 millions per year is overpaying for Poeltl.
So I went back and looked at the shooting statistics, and you're right. Rasho made a high percentage of his 0-3 foot shots. I remember him going up soft and missing so many of them, but overall he made a good percentage. The difference I saw was that Poeltl takes 70% of his shots from 0-3 feet. Rasho took about 32% of his shots from 0-3 feet when he was in SA. That was another thing about him - he often settled for a jumper when he could have gotten to the rim with just a little bit of effort/aggression. What kind of surprised me was that Rasho took about 30% of his shots from 10 feet out to the 3P line. At his FG%, that's not providing spacing - it's just a lot of dry possessions.
I'd rather that Poeltl could provide some spacing with an outside shot, but I kind of like the fact that he manages to get inside the restricted circle with 70% of his shots - especially since he makes 70% of them. That's a pretty potent weapon, as often as you can get it. He didn't take quite as many attempts Per36 as Rasho did in his first two seasons here, but more than in Rasho's third year. If they start calling Poeltl's number a few more times a game, out of the PnR, that evens out too.
At the same price, I'd rather see him here than most of the second-tier bigs in the league.
Absolutely. 3-yrs/$16M or $17M is fair. Poeltl showed promise down the stretch of the season after we bagged Gasold and I think he’s going to get considerably better tbh. Still only 23.
If Poeltl can be had for 5/6 millions per year, I would rather lock him up for as much as possible, tbh.
Sounds about right. I wouldn't even be surprised to see 4/32. Neither is some outlandish number in a league where the average salary is nearing 10.
This talk of 5 is unrealistic. He's clearly better than Looney and the latter is a pseudo center (because of his skillset, he has to play it in today's game, but he's really a power forward masquerading), which limits him to a about a 20 mpg backup role.
Though different players, Bryant and Zubac are more comparable both in terms of caliber and because they're legit centers.
You were a guest in 2003?
Rasho made $5.6 million in 2003-04 in the first year of that deal. The salary cap that year was $43.84 million. Today the salary cap is $109.14 million. That means Rasho was making the equivalent of $13.9 million in today's NBA
It was always a bad idea, hence my DO NOT SIGN RASHO thread from 16 years ago, tbh.
They have a full season to assess his fit with Murray, White, and Walker. No reason to overthink any of this now. If they see something there they can confidently say will grow over the next few seasons, like good pick and roll chemistry, they will make him part of their long-term plans. No organization values continuity, as a means to achieve a sum that is greater than its parts, more than the Spurs.
Something like 21/3 Will be ok, i think he Will have several 5 millions offers, That's a little bit low
Makes sense to lock him up now, for 4 years, even if it means a slight overpay from the $5 million price tag. 4 Yrs, 28 million is d fine.
Cap is supposed to be $116 million in 20-21, him at around $7 million would only be 6% of the cap. By year 2 of that deal, he could be the starting center and making less than 5 percent of the cap.
Obviously, the Spurs should avoid overpaying, but I think they could go as high as 7 million per year in order to lock up Jakob for the long term. Personally, I think he will prove to be worth more than that, but as Timvp points out, the market for such players is pretty low right now so it would be prudent to stick to the market rate.
As far as Dejounte Murray, the whole "4 yr / 100 million" thing is just speculation. I'm thinking 15-18 million a year is more in the range of what the Spurs should be paying, depending on how well he plays next year. Then again, I never understood the reasoning for overpaying Patty Mills and Pau Gasol, so it's entirely possible that Dejounte will get some huge contract also. I mean, if Jamal Murray can get $34 million a year (a huge mistake in my mind), anything is possible.
Javale McGee and Nerlens Noel are out here earning the vet minimum, Dwight Howard is unemployed, and Cousins is playing for $10/hr.
Poeltl averaged 5 points, 5 rebounds, and hardly a block a game. People are truly smoking something if they think he’s worthy of anything more than 6M/yr. Look, I get it. We got fleeced in the Kawhi trade and the majority of you want to act like we didn’t get some second hand garbage in return. That’s fine. You just cut your losses and don’t double down on your mistakes by extending DeRozan and Poeltl on ludicrous deals.
The other half of posters saying he should get paid don’t know a crap player when they see one. Happened with Splitter and his elite screens (lol), Fathead and his high bball IQ (
Aron Baynes expiring deal was traded away by the Celtics to clear cap space and he's only getting $5.5M and was highly regarding by the Celtics and their fanbase. I agree that offering Poetl something in the neighborhood of 3yrs/$17M is fair. If I were him I'd take it.
Is Milutinov every going to come over here?
I am fine with Eubanks as the 3rd big but I think he is substantially worse than Poeltl...I saw to many no name summer league guys finish over him like he wasn't even there to think he could ever be a good rim protector...
What would Poeltl have to do to "erupt"? I don't ever see that happening because he is never going to get enough touches on offense to put up any type of numbers...
You said if he is your fifth best starter...that is exactly what i think he will be...
Now think of all the players on recent championship teams...who was the 5th best player...was their salary more than 5 million dollars...regardless of position? I would say yes...and then I would ask...why would Poeltl settle for 5 million dollar if he could be the 5th best player on a championship team......
I also expect Poeltl scoring numbers to jump once LMA leaves...since he won't be playing with one of the 10 worst passing bigs I have ever seen in my life...
I also expect him to be a perfect fit with Luka...and stuff like that matters right...how you fit with your current team...
11 million would be steep but I'd put my hiking boots on for it...
Now if he asked for 11 million and one free number 5 dry from whataburger i'd have to tell him it was great but i think he needs to looks elsewhere...that one burger a week is just further than i am willing to go...
5/30 would be perfect.
We won a le with Splitter.Javale McGee and Nerlens Noel are out here earning the vet minimum, Dwight Howard is unemployed, and Cousins is playing for $10/hr.
Poeltl averaged 5 points, 5 rebounds, and hardly a block a game. People are truly smoking something if they think he’s worthy of anything more than 6M/yr. Look, I get it. We got fleeced in the Kawhi trade and the majority of you want to act like we didn’t get some second hand garbage in return. That’s fine. You just cut your losses and don’t double down on your mistakes by extending DeRozan and Poeltl on ludicrous deals.
The other half of posters saying he should get paid don’t know a crap player when they see one. Happened with Splitter and his elite screens (lol), Fathead and his high bball IQ (
And Poeltl isn't even half the player he was.
He was the best Defender the entire Series. Without him the series would not have even lasted for 7 games. No he was above average.
I did not watch all the games.
The parts I saw The Joker was roasting him.
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