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    if you already have insurance it's nothing.
    If it benefits friends, family members and lowers costs for everyone, that's not nothing.

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    Democrats now more educated than Republicans, Pew survey finds


    Democrats are now the party of college graduates, especially those with post-graduate work.

    Meanwhile, people with a high-school degree or less, by far the larger group, slightly lean toward Republicans.


    Both preferences are the reverse of what they were in the 1990s.

    54 percent of college graduates either identified as Democrats or leaned Democratic,

    compared to 39 percent who identified or leaned Republican.

    One-third of Americans have a college degree.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/22/democrats-more-educated-republicans-pew-research-c/

    2.1M federal employees whom Trash just screwed by cutting their annual pay raise below inflation.

    And I suppose they see how Trash is abusing their colleagues in NatSec, Dept of State, IRS, and all Exec branch agencies.

    Even Repugs are worried about AGW, and Repugs policies are making AGW worse, while allow BigCorp to poison air, land, water, and reducing Toxic site cleanups.

    but, never underestimate the stupidity and ignorance of people

    America is the Developed World Champion for %age who don't even vote





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    If it benefits friends, family members and lowers costs for everyone, that's not nothing.
    and the guy who has insurance get's nothing, if their friend makes 110 bucks and they don't get any of it they got nothing, if their family got 110 bucks and didn't give them anything they got nothing, if the cost gets lowered from something they weren't going to pay anyway they got nothing.

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    if you have better information, by all means share it

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    If his scheme passes, your medical bills would be paid for too, do you consider that nothing?
    Of course that’s something. The fact there there’s some return doesn’t erase the exchange being grossly inequitable in my case.

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    If it benefits friends, family members and lowers costs for everyone, that's not nothing.
    I don’t know if anyone contests that benefits may be spread. But for those who end up paying into the system, what say you to the increased tax burden they pay? Cost of doing business?

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    if you have better information, by all means share it
    the information, is that it's an online poll.

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    I don’t know if anyone contests that benefits may be spread. But for those who end up paying into the system, what say you to the increased tax burden they pay? Cost of doing business?
    Offset by lower health care costs and reliable access to care, whenever it's needed.

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    I don’t know if anyone contests that benefits may be spread. But for those who end up paying into the system, what say you to the increased tax burden they pay? Cost of doing business?
    It’s the cost you’d be paying in most other modern countries.

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    Offset by lower health care costs and reliable access to care, whenever it's needed.
    Which is great, but not really necessary to a thirty something professional i.e., those who bear the brunt of paying for all this.

    Bernie doesn’t even support gestures like raising the SALT cap. He’s got his target audience.

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    It's the college graduates ( a notorious dem vote that they somewhat lost with hillary) with already good health care in the swing states, that the Dems need to worry about. Bernie is so far, giving them nothing but a tax hike.
    Well Texas and Florida have lousy health care and these are swing states, and a tax hike wouldn't be a huge deal there because there's no state income taxes.

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    Which is great, but not really necessary to a thirty something professional i.e., those who bear the brunt of paying for all this.

    Bernie doesn’t even support gestures like raising the SALT cap. He’s got his target audience.
    SALT income taxes should be completely eliminated. It's bogus that a person should relocate within the same country but automatically lose disposable income right off the bat for nothing.

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    It’s the cost you’d be paying in most other modern countries.
    Irrelevant though. The point is that young earners end up shouldering the cost. I just want Bernie bros to be honest about the fact rather than dressing it up as a social good. It’s great to feel that way when you have others shouldering a disproportionate amount of the load “modernizing” the health system.

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    Irrelevant though. The point is that young earners end up shouldering the cost. I just want Bernie bros to be honest about the fact rather than dressing it up as a social good. It’s great to feel that way when you have others shouldering a disproportionate amount of the load “modernizing” the health system.
    The way I see it is I’m paying more and in exchange living a more stable country with a stronger, healthier and more educated middle class that’s not always one c_unthair away from another recession.

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    The way I see it is I’m paying more and in exchange living a more stable country with a stronger, healthier and more educated middle class that’s not always one c_unthair away from another recession.
    I get that but literally my only problem is that he wants to eliminate 1.8 million jobs. And his plan to help those people is to give them money to train them to do other stuff, but now you're expecting 40 year old career workers to start over, compete with new college grads, for wages because you just flooded the market with 1.8 million job seekers. Only reason i support a medicare buy in with tax break for the poor.

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    Irrelevant though. The point is that young earners end up shouldering the cost. I just want Bernie bros to be honest about the fact rather than dressing it up as a social good. It’s great to feel that way when you have others shouldering a disproportionate amount of the load “modernizing” the health system.
    in 30 or 40 years, those "burdenened" Medicare for All 20-30 year olds will be 60+ years old.

    Works just like social security.

    A huge component of Medicare for All is cost reduction, like regulating prices.

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    The way I see it is I’m paying more and in exchange living a more stable country with a stronger, healthier and more educated middle class that’s not always one c_unthair away from another recession.
    If I had my druthers, there’d be a candidate who would take the BBs we’re putting into defense and do a modern New Deal in infrastructure and IT. Warren is the only one I’ve heard of who has a plan like this. The way I see it, creating or further developing new economic sectors by the government is a way to directly promote growth and stability and while providing a more direct benefit to those who end up shouldering the burden.

    But in reality, we have comrade free . I get the impulse to pay for social well being. My personal opinion is that Bernie asks for too much.

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    the information, is that it's an online poll.
    So you got nothing, not even a criticism of the methods used.

    To be fair, there aren't any other recent SC polls at RCP. The You Gov/CBS poll is the most recent. Seems odd that landline polls seem to carry so much more weight with you -- who has a landline nowadays?

    If you look at the betting markets, they favor Sanders even more strongly.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/el...20_nomination/

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    If I had my druthers, there’d be a candidate who would take the BBs we’re putting into defense and do a modern New Deal in infrastructure and IT. Warren is the only one I’ve heard of who has a plan like this. The way I see it, creating or further developing new economic sectors by the government is a way to directly promote growth and stability and while providing a more direct benefit to those who end up shouldering the burden.

    But in reality, we have comrade free . I get the impulse to pay for social well being. My personal opinion is that Bernie asks for too much.
    Yeah go check what tax rates were in the New Deal era and tell me if you still think Bernie wants too much.

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    So you got nothing, not even a criticism of the methods used.

    To be fair, there aren't any other recent SC polls at RCP. The You Gov/CBS poll is the most recent. Seems odd that landline polls seem to carry so much more weight with you -- who has a landline nowadays?

    If you look at the betting markets, they favor Sanders even more strongly.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/el...20_nomination/
    if you look at steyer over there with the .4 odds of winning yet somehow he pulled the same percentage of voters Biden lost. That poll is clearly flawed

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    I get that but literally my only problem is that he wants to eliminate 1.8 million jobs. And his plan to help those people is to give them money to train them to do other stuff, but now you're expecting 40 year old career workers to start over, compete with new college grads, for wages because you just flooded the market with 1.8 million job seekers. Only reason i support a medicare buy in with tax break for the poor.
    Yeah I have no sympathy for those in the healthcare industry who have made a career out of screwing Americans with private insurance bureaucracy and finding creative ways to deny people coverage. If someone like Sanders and Warren puts them out of work they can go get a real job like the rest of us.

    Btw the fact that $1.8 million people get put out of work should show you how much cheaper healthcare gets. Right now healthcare in this country is a jobs program for millions of people who have useless and unnecessary job and the result is all of us paying way too much for healthcare.

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    Yeah go check what tax rates were in the New Deal era and tell me if you still think Bernie wants too much.
    I don’t see why the New Deal era is relevant now (we’re not in the midst of a catastrophic economic collapse) or relevant to my point either.

    The surest way to get back to the New Deal era is to force corporations to give stock to their employees. That’s a pretty sure fire way to instigate another economic collapse.

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    if you look at steyer over there with the .4 odds of winning yet somehow he pulled the same percentage of voters Biden lost. That poll is clearly flawed
    Eh, we'll see how it lines up with the polls to come and the SC primary itself.

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    Yeah I have no sympathy for those in the healthcare industry who have made a career out of screwing Americans with private insurance bureaucracy and finding creative ways to deny people coverage. If someone like Sanders and Warren puts them out of work they can go get a real job like the rest of us.

    Btw the fact that $1.8 million people get put out of work should show you how much cheaper healthcare gets. Right now healthcare in this country is a jobs program for millions of people who have useless and unnecessary job and the result is all of us paying way too much for healthcare.
    That’s cutting off your nose to spite your face. They may be massive assholes, but you can’t set fire to 1.8 million jobs and think it’s going to turn out well

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