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    Its not nothing. Understanding local outbreaks is everything.

    But keep saying "muh zip code"
    Your zip code is not a map of the world. In principle it's not generalizable -- unless you think you are the universe.

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    i was going to make a guess at why black people have lower rates, and this graph pretty much confirms my guess.

    I grew up in DC in the eighties, havent been back in decades now but when i remember most of the black people i met the overall common characteristic is that they were poor. Well, being poor correlates with less eduaction, lower life expectancy/younger population, and importantly having less free time. Where i live we have fewer and smaller minority groups, but we have a lot of poor people, and the same things happen.

    another thing about being poor is that you avoid the doctor at all cost, most dont ever go- just going to get bad news and bills you cant pay. I recently saw a clip of a guy running off a stretcher to avoid paying an ambulance in the US, the cost of health care is absurd and many people avoid treatment because they cant afford it. also, "muh tuskegee" aside, there is a do ented history of racism in medicine, I guarantee you minorities always prefer doctors from their minority and that makes access more limited too.

    i suspect latinos do better here because culturally we are more socialist and expect the government to give health care, and because vaccines greatly improved life expectancy in the region there is less skepticism. though they exist too, including the educated loons

    gov here just announced a third dose for older people (sinovac). Giving one dose of pfizer as a third booster for inmunosuppressed. covid is similar to flu, makes sense that boosters will be needed. vaccine rollout here was very good, but young people held out, the gov made rules requiring a vaccine passport and they straight up put a curfew at 10, and for it to go to 12 the region has to be at 80% vaccination (both doses). a lot of the holdouts got their shots, cases are now way down but still havent hit 80% in my region- americans love their freedom, you would go crazy even though most of you are already home in bed at 10
    covid is tricky, its very contagious and affects people very differently, some are asymptomatic while others go down in days. I got it a week after getting my first dose of vaccine, from work, and my family- it ended up being a light cold for us, and a rough one for my unvaxxed coworker. the vaccines job is to prevent hospitals collapsing and hopefully reduce transmission, but for it to really work you need 90% of the population to vaccinate.

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    can i afford to go to the doctor is a real thing for the less insured. can be life changing.

    vaccines and COVID care were supposed to be free, but it's a damn fact some people got charged for it.

    you better bet word got around about that. USG even asked people to report it

    https://abc7chicago.com/charged-for-...tion/10561655/

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    covid is tricky, its very contagious and affects people very differently, some are asymptomatic while others go down in days. I got it a week after getting my first dose of vaccine, from work, and my family- it ended up being a light cold for us, and a rough one for my unvaxxed coworker. the vaccines job is to prevent hospitals collapsing and hopefully reduce transmission, but for it to really work you need 90% of the population to vaccinate.
    For the current generation of vaccines, that might not be sufficient. Check out Iceland and Denmark. Both have robust testing, tracing and sequencing, plus double tested quarantine, plus >90% fully vaccinated over age 16, plus national level real time data collection.

    Both countries are saying herd immunity isn't attainable wth the current vaccines.

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    Im holding out hope for a live, attenuated virus vaccine.

    I will slurp that down, spray it in my nose, just give it to me.

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    I know. That’s what the polling says, it’s what they themselves say, etc. the narrative ITT that they’re too poor to get a free vaccine () or that muh transportation issues make it so they can’t travel to the magical wonderland known as CVS pharmacy is totally made up and not what the facts say.

    Most black people are simply uneducated anti-vaxxers the same way MAGA is, the media just isn’t reporting on it.
    The polling says blacks are 34% more likely to be hesitant to take the vaccine.

    The same polling says Republicans are +184% more likely to outright refuse the vaccine.

    Both groups are a problem that need to be addressed. Republicans are by far the bigger one.

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    Very true, I’ve seen younger black folks on Twitter say stuff like “all I need is Jesus no vaccine for me”…..GMAFB Jemarious you haven’t been to church in years just be a man and admit you’re an anti-vaxxer without hiding behind the fake god .
    It's mostly being ignorant about science and seeing dragons and ill intent in the white man's medicine, but it's not so cleverly disguised as spirituality. Blacks not so long ago just came out of bondage, and spirituality was a big part of what kept them going through all that hundreds of years of . I cannot fault them for having a lot of residual distrust and leftover religious leanings. The white people who are just paranoid because they read something somewhere, or heard something in a feed store, or they think it only happens to others.. those people I give no quarter.

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    Republican antivaxxers are re ed.

    Happy now?
    It's a good step. Good for you.

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    Im holding out hope for a live, attenuated virus vaccine.

    I will slurp that down, spray it in my nose, just give it to me.
    So basically they should cork it and put a vintage marker on it.

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    So basically they should cork it and put a vintage marker on it.
    Nah, just test it for safety and efficacy. I'm not a snob about what I drink.

    Wine is for conviviality and pleasure, not bragging rights.

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    I don't even think education is the issue with regard to minorities and vaccines. The issue is just giving a .

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    It's mostly being ignorant about science and seeing dragons and ill intent in the white man's medicine, but it's not so cleverly disguised as spirituality. Blacks not so long ago just came out of bondage, and spirituality was a big part of what kept them going through all that hundreds of years of . I cannot fault them for having a lot of residual distrust and leftover religious leanings. The white people who are just paranoid because they read something somewhere, or heard something in a feed store, or they think it only happens to others.. those people I give no quarter.
    What a crock a , D.

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    It's mostly being ignorant about science and seeing dragons and ill intent in the white man's medicine, but it's not so cleverly disguised as spirituality. Blacks not so long ago just came out of bondage, and spirituality was a big part of what kept them going through all that hundreds of years of . I cannot fault them for having a lot of residual distrust and leftover religious leanings. The white people who are just paranoid because they read something somewhere, or heard something in a feed store, or they think it only happens to others.. those people I give no quarter.
    I give no quarter to any of them. I understand the residual distrust factor black people might have, but this is the same vaccine that tens of millions of upper middle class Karens are getting, it’s not like this is an experimental drug that black people are being used as the guinea pig for.

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    I don't even think education is the issue with regard to minorities and vaccines. The issue is just giving a .
    The lack of a give a factor seems to directly correlate with a lack of education.

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    Well, I'm supposedly surrounded by throngs of Republican anti-vaxxers. I'm not seeing that in Bexar county.

    We have a hot spot around the university. I wonder if students visited family in India? Wild guess.
    Well Biden won Bexar County by 18% but as I said, educated Republicans who live in suburban areas like Bexar County arent the ones who are vaccine hesitant (even if they voted for Trump).

    Just to be clear I still think Country Club Trump voters are morally depraved people incapable of thinking beyond how they can lower their income tax liability, but they’re not complete ing idiots, thus they get the vaccine.

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    The lack of a give a factor seems to directly correlate with a lack of education.
    Chicken/egg. The lack of give a factor among some directly influences their lack of education.

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    Chicken/egg. The lack of give a factor among some directly influences their lack of education.
    Probably.

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    I give no quarter to any of them. I understand the residual distrust factor black people might have, but this is the same vaccine that tens of millions of upper middle class Karens are getting, it’s not like this is an experimental drug that black people are being used as the guinea pig for.
    Except that’s not how it’s perceived to some, many. The black distrust of government extends beyond rational thought the way far right conspiracy theories extend to. Just because they say they’re getting the same vaccine the upper middle class Karens are getting, it doesn’t mean the CVS employees aren’t switching the syringes last minute to the “for blacks only” vaccines. It’s not a federal building where people of all races, colors can share. Vaccines are independently individual. So the getting “the same” vaccine might as well be labeled “separate but equal” in their eyes. Lack of education may be a part of it, but the government distrust has roots very deep in black culture in general. No BA, no BS, no PhD, no Kamala, no Obama, no LeBron, heck, no Beyoncé can change the minds of some fraction of that demographic, maybe many of them. For some, perhaps many, it’s not even a consideration. It’s a non-starter. And unfortunately, for those some or many with that line of thinking, they will pay a heavy price, some with their lives.

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    It’s definitely not just an education/Bible thumper issue with the black community. Hispanics are getting vaccinated at much higher rate, and they’re (generally speaking) around the same education & religious level as blacks. It has to be a deeper rooted mistrust driving the black community to stay away from the vaccine.

    But yes, trying to avoid the issue and blaming it on outside issues isn’t productive. Black leaders need to do more. e Lee in commercials takin old ladies to bus stops isn’t cutting it.

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    great thread on the derps of the world

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    The big misconception is that the vaccine hesitancy is a Democrat vs. Republican thing. It’s not. It’s an educated vs. uneducated thing. Your average country club neocon might have voted for Trump but he got the vaccine the second he could.
    there is a pretty good correlation between % of people in a county who are vaccinated and % of people in a county who voted for biden, though to be fair there's also a correlation between political preference and education level

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    great thread on the derps of the world
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtvQ...l=KristinWylie


    https://www.deplatformdisease.com/bl...l-stock-claims


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    I’m not scapegoating blacks. My actual overarching point is how much leaders in the black community are completely ignoring the vaccination problem and not doing a thing to get black people vaccinated. Heck, why doesn’t Obama do a few events where he talks about it? Is that too much to ask?

    also as I said, the real issue is educated vs. non educated and religious vs. secular. One of the causes of black people not getting the jab is how many of them are bible thumpers.
    that dip mayor is boston isnt helping either

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    Very true, I’ve seen younger black folks on Twitter say stuff like “all I need is Jesus no vaccine for me”…..GMAFB Jemarious you haven’t been to church in years just be a man and admit you’re an anti-vaxxer without hiding behind the fake god .
    extrapolating anything from twitter is a fool's errand

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