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It’s kinda Stupid to argue who is better White VS Murray when Murray has been out the whole season. Lol
ok... then wtf was with this response to this post?
It’s kinda Stupid to argue who is better White VS Murray when Murray has been out the whole season. Lol
One of the obviously multiple great things about the Bulls team that won 72 games was their construction: they started two SGs in Jordan and Ron Harper, both 6'6", but actually had SF Scottie Pippen bring the ball up in most situations. This made it really difficult for teams to design defensive schemes against them. I can see a similar version of that if White, Murray, and DeRozan all started next year. And hiding DeRozan defensively would be much easier with Murray and White on the court, as opposed to pairing him with Forbes or Mills.
Because most folks ing about that take the tle of the thread as an example of choosing one over the other, tbh.
i was referring to the conversation people were having... with FkLA saying we should trade murray, etc.
Yeah, I agree.
Knowledge?
Sometimes it's too much work to distinguish between the goats, and the pathetic mortals who sacrifice them.
Not exactly. Did you look at the lines White was putting up in the month before he had to sit out with the fasciitis? He had a bad game against OKC on the road, but the whole team pretty much sucked that night. The game before was OKC at home, and White just destroyed the Thunder - 23 PTS, 8 AST, 5 RB, 2 STL, and a BLK. Last night was exceptional, but he's been steadily good for quite a while.
There is some overreaction over last night, but the kid is legit.
Aaah the new manu vs tp
if both ends up being as good as tp and manu.. I'm fine with that
Explain to me how the Spurs have a 2nd all NBA defensive guard (Murray) and another guard (White) who had 6 blocks in a single game?
Defense isn't important in Today's NBA. They'll never make an ASG playing like that.
Murray is not starting at the 2 and makes no sense given his limitations as a shooter.. you know shooting guard! Also, comparing 2 players when one is injured is a pointless exercise but I firmly believe Murray will be a star player and PAFTO think so to from previous media reports. Nevertheless, barring a Murray trade, he will be the starting PG and I think White is too good to come off the bench so will probably start at the 2 guard position. Using the Manu analogy with White doesn't really work in this situation given that we don't have 2 other hall fame players in Parker and Duncan on the floor so White needs to play a lot. That leaves.. gasp.. DDR at the 3 spot. I don't see it happening but would love to explore trading DDR.
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Not overly impressive. Fathead averaged 1.6 in 26.7 mins.
if both ends up being as good as tp and manu.. I'm fine with that
Except the post DAF quoted was from early November but isn't that how this works? Guy has a great game, thread gets bumped, people get called out, player has a few sub par performances, thread disappears. I mean, there were plenty of people that went on record in various threads questioning White's offensive abillities but early in the season but he looks like he can hold his own on offense. There were others in yesterday's game thread saying White is better than Ginobili (LMFAO).
As it pertains to this thread, White might be the better all around player but based on defensive metrics, Murray was undeniably the better defender.
White 2018-19 DRPM 1.67
Murray 2017-18 DRPM 3.60
And if Murray finds a jumpshot, he could be every bit as good as White.
highlight videos
Not overly impressive. Fathead averaged 1.6 in 26.7 mins.
I don't like highlights to prove basketball takes either,but for a moment i thought you had some kind of a memory disorder,and you couldn't remember the kid actually playing.Hence,the highlights.
So you still can't detect the skill of disrupting the passing lane at an elite level?
And you ain't moving the goalpost on me,bringing fathead in the conversation outta nowhere.Nope.
We are talking about ELITE PERIMETER DEFENSE.
Most of them are vs random scrubs, must funny is the one where it says SA 86 - GS 127highlight videos
Not overly impressive. Fathead averaged 1.6 in 26.7 mins.
fathead was a good defender... that's not really a slight. #3 in DRPM among small forwards this year behind covington and paul george. was #2 the two years before that, #6 the year before that...highlight videos
Not overly impressive. Fathead averaged 1.6 in 26.7 mins.
Don't let him of the hook.
That's why he brought up Fathead.He knows Murray is an elite defender,in a different way than White,and in his stubborn way to enhance his argument of White>>>Murray he is disregarding facts about the other kid.
Once he sees that,at some point,he is gonna have to admit that Murray is a good defender as well,he tries to bring Fathead in the convo to sidetrack it.
Simple. I think Murray is better but if it’s so obvious that White should be the starting PG then Pop will see that as well. Right? But if White is not starting at PG next year, maybe you are plain wrong and are simply a bad judge of talent... or are a fanboy yourself of White. I like both players btw.
Most of them are vs random scrubs, must funny is the one where it says SA 86 - GS 127
In case you didn't notice,cause you didn't obviously,those are highlights from the 2016/17 season.Know what that means? Ding,ding,ding,that's right Mike! His rookie season! In a Gregg Popovich team! That's why there are scrubs in there!
Just popping up like a fart,without even following the conversation is not a good way to take part between arguments,friend.
The highlights are there to show that Dejounte Murray has an elite skill on defense.NOT in comparison to White.NOT to take something away from Derrick.
NOT to drool and say "OMFG he is SOOOOO good".
The fact that Derrick White is an overall better basketball player than Murray,in 2019,is undeniable.The fact that he is better as a Point Guard,is undeniable.
If people want to construct arguments pro D.White against other people advocating that Murray is better,be my guest,it's healthy. Unnecessary,but healthy.
But for people to feel the need to support their argument by spewing inconsistencies,fake facts,bringing down a player of their team,denying him talents that even they,on their own,know he has..it's asinine. It's wrong.
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