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    How the is Leonard recruiting Paul, who is under contract, not tampering?
    it's not against the rules for players to talk to each other. lebron does it all the time

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    not to mention their dispute with harden was over something in the range of 4 mil per year, while at the same time they gave perkins 5/40

    and they turned that into kevin martin and jeremy lamb
    You can look at Presti in three phases:

    1.) The great: Drafting KD, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka

    2.) The terrible: Overpaying Perkins, screwing up Harden negotiation and getting zilch in trade from Houston (Adams turned out to be good value where they drafted him), never surrounding a terrible shooter in Westbrook with shooters besides Durant, not getting value for Durant when it became clear he was on his way out, Kanter contract (that’s all he got for Reggie Jackson), taking on Melo for Kanter, etc.

    3.) The impressive: learning from mistakes and turning 50 year old Ibaka into Oladipo/Sabonis, which turned into PG13, which turned into the package they got from LAC.

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    It's pretty comical those making Presti out to be a genius. Big picture he had three future MVPs at age ~22 with Finals experience and he somehow managed to ruin that. Now all he has left to show for that trio is the worst one of the bunch on a terrible contract with draft picks owed to him by elite teams.

    Genius
    Bingo. Sam Presti is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. It's like the Rockets GM Morey. For some reason these two guys get a free pass for falling short time after time after time.

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    Bingo. Sam Presti is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. It's like the Rockets GM Morey. For some reason these two guys get a free pass for falling short time after time after time.
    fat stat nerds who could never do anything athletic love morey because he is their ascended form--the guy who was able to force his way into the basketball world despite being an obese sack of

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    fat stat nerds who could never do anything athletic love morey because he is their ascended form--the guy who was able to force his way into the basketball world despite being an obese sack of
    Morey's been the GM for Houston what 12 or 13 years. Who gets that kind of time with no conference championships?

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    Bingo. Sam Presti is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. It's like the Rockets GM Morey. For some reason these two guys get a free pass for falling short time after time after time.
    GMs who always make deals get attention. Morey also attracted attention because of his analytics bent and East Coast origin.

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    GMs who always make deals get attention. Morey also attracted attention because of his analytics bent and East Coast origin.
    Those analytics have been tried before. It was the same song and dance for the SSOL Suns.

    Morey has just turned it up to 11, but the result is the same...great regular season teams, but the tactic doesn't pan out in the playoffs when teams have time to scout and adjust, the fouls are called tighter, and every three-pointer has that much more pressure on it.

    The Rockets were one win away from the Finals...and then their cannon broke and they went 0/27 from three. Call it a fluke, but until the system proves it can win in the biggest moments, it remains to be unproven.

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    I also had that thought just as I was posting. Maybe Russ will want out, but maybe OKC will want to get off the Westchuck Treadmill. We shall see.

    From a team that had such big names and so much talent, what - 5 years ago - OKC is on the verge of going into Charlotte mode.
    Yes.

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    Yeah, we do.

    He's a Clipper.
    Because of something the Spurs did... According to ppl kno know the situation

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    Because of something the Spurs did... According to ppl kno know the situation
    And what did the Raptors do to drive him away with no compensation?

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    And what did the Raptors do to drive him away with no compensation?
    Not play home games in Southern California.

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    Because of something the Spurs did... According to ppl kno know the situation
    And the Raptors did nothing wrong to Kawhi and he still left. And you still REFUSE to acknowledge this fact. This FACT plays along with why Kawhi left the Spurs and youre in denial of this

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    Well, it’s all over. Here’s what I think:

    There was very little the Spurs could have done to hold onto Kawhi Leonard. He wanted to play close to home, and once he emerged into a franchise player, he expected to be treated like a modern franchise player.

    The Spurs’ organization got spoiled by the Big 3, especially Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan frankly managed the Spurs as much as they managed him. He does not behave in any way at all like a modern NBA superstar, does not have the worldview of an American NBA superstar, though ironically his power and influence over the organization eclipsed that which these guys craved, because of the way he handled his business. We all should be able to see how much of a hit the “Spurs Way” took when he retired.

    Kawhi wasn’t all that keen on staying in San Antonio under any cir stances. But he did respect Pop as a coach. And for a while he cared about his teammates, though he’s pretty cutthroat deep down, and once he’s done, he’s done. At some point, someone in the organization made him feel like he wasn’t valued, like he was less than the Big 3, like he wasn’t ready to lead because he was quiet, not a genius in dealing with teammates like Duncan was. Then given his mindset, the notion that the Spurs might even question giving him the supermax was unforgivable disrespect. The actual money doesn’t even matter (given that he forfeited $80 million ultimately). And the idea that somebody would come across as implying that he didn’t care enough about winning if he didn’t take less... at that point he was done with the San Antonio Spurs. Don’t they know that it was their players and Pop who made them what they were? Outside of them, the Spurs were just another franchise?

    And that’s not even taking into account what he thought about the way they handled player signings. Not that he ever uttered a word about how he felt about any of this.

    So once the quad became an issue, he was in no mind to risk his body to rush back to them. Yeah, the Spurs gave his team total control over his treatment and recovery, because they better — he’s a superstar. But then he hears rumblings that some in the organization think he’s faking it? Well F them. He’ll play on his terms, when he’s damn ready. Stealing $19 million? F that, he thought he was a damn bargain for the contract he signed.

    It’s not as though the Spurs acted in bad faith. They did the Spurs thing they always had done. And they thought Kawhi had bought into the Spurs Way; it’s not as though he had ever spoken up to say anything different. How were they to know that what they really had on their hands was a guy just as en led, demanding, sensitive, touchy, and unforgiving as the typical NBA superstar these days? Maybe they should have known — it’s no secret what millennials are like, and it’s no secret how powerful the elite players are and what they extract from their teams.

    In any event, it’s over. Leonard is gone. Also, Peter Holt is gone, Tim Duncan is gone, Manu Ginobili is gone, and Gregg Popovich only has a couple of years left. Culture is set by leaders, and there is no guarantee that those who come after will be able to maintain what came before. There is nothing magic about that logo or this city, or the banners of past glory, that will keep the Spurs “Spursy.” Those who come after will have to accomplish whatever they do on their own merits.

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    How the is Leonard recruiting Paul, who is under contract, not tampering?
    Yeah it is bad these days. At least he did not make Lakers some unbeatable Superteam. But players hooking up is here to stay. Sucks for teams like the Bucks, because Giannis will likely have to leave and do this as well..

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    I still think Kawhi is an ungrateful lying diva, manipulated by tacky greedy usurpers. The Holts should sue him for breach of contract bottomline.

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    Well, it’s all over. Here’s what I think:

    There was very little the Spurs could have done to hold onto Kawhi Leonard. He wanted to play close to home, and once he emerged into a franchise player, he expected to be treated like a modern franchise player.

    The Spurs’ organization got spoiled by the Big 3, especially Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan frankly managed the Spurs as much as they managed him. He does not behave in any way at all like a modern NBA superstar, does not have the worldview of an American NBA superstar, though ironically his power and influence over the organization eclipsed that which these guys craved, because of the way he handled his business. We all should be able to see how much of a hit the “Spurs Way” took when he retired.

    Kawhi wasn’t all that keen on staying in San Antonio under any cir stances. But he did respect Pop as a coach. And for a while he cared about his teammates, though he’s pretty cutthroat deep down, and once he’s done, he’s done. At some point, someone in the organization made him feel like he wasn’t valued, like he was less than the Big 3, like he wasn’t ready to lead because he was quiet, not a genius in dealing with teammates like Duncan was. Then given his mindset, the notion that the Spurs might even question giving him the supermax was unforgivable disrespect. The actual money doesn’t even matter (given that he forfeited $80 million ultimately). And the idea that somebody would come across as implying that he didn’t care enough about winning if he didn’t take less... at that point he was done with the San Antonio Spurs. Don’t they know that it was their players and Pop who made them what they were? Outside of them, the Spurs were just another franchise?

    And that’s not even taking into account what he thought about the way they handled player signings. Not that he ever uttered a word about how he felt about any of this.

    So once the quad became an issue, he was in no mind to risk his body to rush back to them. Yeah, the Spurs gave his team total control over his treatment and recovery, because they better — he’s a superstar. But then he hears rumblings that some in the organization think he’s faking it? Well F them. He’ll play on his terms, when he’s damn ready. Stealing $19 million? F that, he thought he was a damn bargain for the contract he signed.

    It’s not as though the Spurs acted in bad faith. They did the Spurs thing they always had done. And they thought Kawhi had bought into the Spurs Way; it’s not as though he had ever spoken up to say anything different. How were they to know that what they really had on their hands was a guy just as en led, demanding, sensitive, touchy, and unforgiving as the typical NBA superstar these days? Maybe they should have known — it’s no secret what millennials are like, and it’s no secret how powerful the elite players are and what they extract from their teams.

    In any event, it’s over. Leonard is gone. Also, Peter Holt is gone, Tim Duncan is gone, Manu Ginobili is gone, and Gregg Popovich only has a couple of years left. Culture is set by leaders, and there is no guarantee that those who come after will be able to maintain what came before. There is nothing magic about that logo or this city, or the banners of past glory, that will keep the Spurs “Spursy.” Those who come after will have to accomplish whatever they do on their own merits.
    Well written. Thank you. That was a very enjoyable read, despite the harsh truths.

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    Just how many boos Kawhi get? One big up yours in Toronto (or maybe not because he got them a one time trophy?), 2 in San Antonio, 2 in Lakers, 2 in OKC, 2 in Golden State.

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    Well, it’s all over. Here’s what I think:

    There was very little the Spurs could have done to hold onto Kawhi Leonard. He wanted to play close to home, and once he emerged into a franchise player, he expected to be treated like a modern franchise player.

    The Spurs’ organization got spoiled by the Big 3, especially Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan frankly managed the Spurs as much as they managed him. He does not behave in any way at all like a modern NBA superstar, does not have the worldview of an American NBA superstar, though ironically his power and influence over the organization eclipsed that which these guys craved, because of the way he handled his business. We all should be able to see how much of a hit the “Spurs Way” took when he retired.

    Kawhi wasn’t all that keen on staying in San Antonio under any cir stances. But he did respect Pop as a coach. And for a while he cared about his teammates, though he’s pretty cutthroat deep down, and once he’s done, he’s done. At some point, someone in the organization made him feel like he wasn’t valued, like he was less than the Big 3, like he wasn’t ready to lead because he was quiet, not a genius in dealing with teammates like Duncan was. Then given his mindset, the notion that the Spurs might even question giving him the supermax was unforgivable disrespect. The actual money doesn’t even matter (given that he forfeited $80 million ultimately). And the idea that somebody would come across as implying that he didn’t care enough about winning if he didn’t take less... at that point he was done with the San Antonio Spurs. Don’t they know that it was their players and Pop who made them what they were? Outside of them, the Spurs were just another franchise?

    And that’s not even taking into account what he thought about the way they handled player signings. Not that he ever uttered a word about how he felt about any of this.

    So once the quad became an issue, he was in no mind to risk his body to rush back to them. Yeah, the Spurs gave his team total control over his treatment and recovery, because they better — he’s a superstar. But then he hears rumblings that some in the organization think he’s faking it? Well F them. He’ll play on his terms, when he’s damn ready. Stealing $19 million? F that, he thought he was a damn bargain for the contract he signed.

    It’s not as though the Spurs acted in bad faith. They did the Spurs thing they always had done. And they thought Kawhi had bought into the Spurs Way; it’s not as though he had ever spoken up to say anything different. How were they to know that what they really had on their hands was a guy just as en led, demanding, sensitive, touchy, and unforgiving as the typical NBA superstar these days? Maybe they should have known — it’s no secret what millennials are like, and it’s no secret how powerful the elite players are and what they extract from their teams.

    In any event, it’s over. Leonard is gone. Also, Peter Holt is gone, Tim Duncan is gone, Manu Ginobili is gone, and Gregg Popovich only has a couple of years left. Culture is set by leaders, and there is no guarantee that those who come after will be able to maintain what came before. There is nothing magic about that logo or this city, or the banners of past glory, that will keep the Spurs “Spursy.” Those who come after will have to accomplish whatever they do on their own merits.
    That is a very fair summary.

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    Well, it’s all over. Here’s what I think:

    There was very little the Spurs could have done to hold onto Kawhi Leonard. He wanted to play close to home, and once he emerged into a franchise player, he expected to be treated like a modern franchise player.

    The Spurs’ organization got spoiled by the Big 3, especially Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan frankly managed the Spurs as much as they managed him. He does not behave in any way at all like a modern NBA superstar, does not have the worldview of an American NBA superstar, though ironically his power and influence over the organization eclipsed that which these guys craved, because of the way he handled his business. We all should be able to see how much of a hit the “Spurs Way” took when he retired.

    Kawhi wasn’t all that keen on staying in San Antonio under any cir stances. But he did respect Pop as a coach. And for a while he cared about his teammates, though he’s pretty cutthroat deep down, and once he’s done, he’s done. At some point, someone in the organization made him feel like he wasn’t valued, like he was less than the Big 3, like he wasn’t ready to lead because he was quiet, not a genius in dealing with teammates like Duncan was. Then given his mindset, the notion that the Spurs might even question giving him the supermax was unforgivable disrespect. The actual money doesn’t even matter (given that he forfeited $80 million ultimately). And the idea that somebody would come across as implying that he didn’t care enough about winning if he didn’t take less... at that point he was done with the San Antonio Spurs. Don’t they know that it was their players and Pop who made them what they were? Outside of them, the Spurs were just another franchise?

    And that’s not even taking into account what he thought about the way they handled player signings. Not that he ever uttered a word about how he felt about any of this.

    So once the quad became an issue, he was in no mind to risk his body to rush back to them. Yeah, the Spurs gave his team total control over his treatment and recovery, because they better — he’s a superstar. But then he hears rumblings that some in the organization think he’s faking it? Well F them. He’ll play on his terms, when he’s damn ready. Stealing $19 million? F that, he thought he was a damn bargain for the contract he signed.

    It’s not as though the Spurs acted in bad faith. They did the Spurs thing they always had done. And they thought Kawhi had bought into the Spurs Way; it’s not as though he had ever spoken up to say anything different. How were they to know that what they really had on their hands was a guy just as en led, demanding, sensitive, touchy, and unforgiving as the typical NBA superstar these days? Maybe they should have known — it’s no secret what millennials are like, and it’s no secret how powerful the elite players are and what they extract from their teams.

    In any event, it’s over. Leonard is gone. Also, Peter Holt is gone, Tim Duncan is gone, Manu Ginobili is gone, and Gregg Popovich only has a couple of years left. Culture is set by leaders, and there is no guarantee that those who come after will be able to maintain what came before. There is nothing magic about that logo or this city, or the banners of past glory, that will keep the Spurs “Spursy.” Those who come after will have to accomplish whatever they do on their own merits.
    perfect
    ps: Duncan was the "Spurs way", not Pop, not Mills, not coffee bull

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    I still think Kawhi is an ungrateful lying diva, manipulated by tacky greedy usurpers. The Holts should sue him for breach of contract bottomline.
    Yeah, right, spend $10 million on lawyers now, in a lawsuit that'll drag on for years. Just what we need, more lunacy.

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    At least we finally know there was absolutely nothing the Spurs could do to keep Kawhi in SA. He was dead set on going to L.A. no matter what and I'm actually glad he's in the west now so we can go head-to-head in the playoffs. I'm very bullish on our current team and we are going to surprise some people. I'll would love to knock off the clippers in the West finals.

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    Not his fault OKC's ownership didn't want/couldn't afford to dip into the luxury tax. PJ Carlesimo, Scott Brooks and Billy Donovan haven't been impressive coaching hires though.
    Presti essentially picked Kendrick Perkins over James Harden

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    Not play home games in Southern California.

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    Because of something the Spurs did... According to ppl kno know the situation
    Who...one of your island moon cricket buddies who told you he hangs with Tim Duncan at the local pool when he comes home to visit?

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