Batum #5 PER for small forwards in the NBA

[tlongII]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...fposition%3dsf

1. LeBron James 31.79
2. Kevin Durant 25.47
3. Carmelo Anthony 23.06
4. Corey Maggette 21.17
5. Nicolas Batum 19.22

[mogrovejo]

Yeah, he's a terrific role-player.

[lil_penny]

Stud

[Bartleby]

And Anthony Randolph is 7th. I wish there were some way the Spurs could pry one of those players away, but I know it's not going to happen.

[JamStone]

Maybe with his upside and since he's still on his cheap rookie contract, the Blazers could upgrade that small forward position by trading him for Corey Maggette. Just a thought.

[mogrovejo]

He's a terrific role-player, not a stud. He's PER is so high because he spent most of the season injured and hit a hot patch shooting once he returned. He won't keep his shooting efficiency at this level, it's not sustainable (70%TS, 47%3PT).

[tlongII]

Maybe with his upside and since he's still on his cheap rookie contract, the Blazers could upgrade that small forward position by trading him for Corey Maggette. Just a thought.

[urunobili]

Star written all over him

[namlook]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...fposition%3dsf

1. LeBron James 31.79
2. Kevin Durant 25.47
3. Carmelo Anthony 23.06
4. Corey Maggette 21.17
5. Nicolas Batum 19.22

This is why PER doesn't mean all that much. It measures some stats but it doesn't measure a player's true value to a team. Not just Batum but Maggette too. Maggette is not as good as his PER. He's just piling up stats because of the offensive system the Warriors run.

PER says that Chris Paul is better than Magic Johnson.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL I wonder why namlook hates PER..

[JamStone]

Hopefully, you at least understood my suggestion...

[Native American]

Praise given with extreme exaggeration can be like the art of the bow and arrow. When your target is far, you shoot an arrow high in the air to keep the arrow flying for as long as possible and to give it arc and trajectory. However, if you keep aiming higher and higher, at some point, the angle becomes a straight verticle line which would only result in the arrow coming back down and piercing you in the head. And by that I mean when tlongII gives glorified praise about his beloved Blazers, his exaggerated intentions are aimed so high, it appears he simply enjoys long sticks poking him in the face.

[John Hollinger]

He's a terrific role-player, not a stud. He's PER is so high because he spent most of the season injured and hit a hot patch shooting once he returned. He won't keep his shooting efficiency at this level, it's not sustainable (70%TS, 47%3PT).

There's no statistical evidence to imply that the underlying theoretical morality play at work here is impervious to the nature of poetic justice that is indigenous to the PER of the player being discussed. With that said, we all know that Batum is close to being the LeBron James of the Blazers.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

There's no statistical evidence to imply that the underlying theoretical morality play at work here is impervious to the nature of poetic justice that is indigenous to the PER of the player being discussed. With that said, we all know that Batum is close to being the LeBron James of the Blazers.

[tlongII]

Hopefully, you at least understood my suggestion...

I did.

[tlongII]

This is why PER doesn't mean all that much. It measures some stats but it doesn't measure a player's true value to a team. Not just Batum but Maggette too. Maggette is not as good as his PER. He's just piling up stats because of the offensive system the Warriors run.

PER says that Chris Paul is better than Magic Johnson.

That's why Batum's numbers are so impressive. He is a defensive specialist yet achieves this high a value even though the numbers are skewed more to the offensive end.

[badfish22]

Praise given with extreme exaggeration can be like the art of the bow and arrow. When your target is far, you shoot an arrow high in the air to keep the arrow flying for as long as possible and to give it arc and trajectory. However, if you keep aiming higher and higher, at some point, the angle becomes a straight verticle line which would only result in the arrow coming back down and piercing you in the head. And by that I mean when tlongII gives glorified praise about his beloved Blazers, his exaggerated intentions are aimed so high, it appears he simply enjoys long sticks poking him in the face.

There's no statistical evidence to imply that the underlying theoretical morality play at work here is impervious to the nature of poetic justice that is indigenous to the PER of the player being discussed. With that said, we all know that Batum is close to being the LeBron James of the Blazers.

Two great trolls.

[mogrovejo]

That's why Batum's numbers are so impressive. He is a defensive specialist yet achieves this high a value even though the numbers are skewed more to the offensive end.

They aren't skewed, they basically reduce the boxscore to a single number. And boxscore doesn't measure defence.

The numbers aren't impressive because the sample is too small. 500 minutes is nothing. His shooting will regress big time and so will his PER.

Batum, as a player, is impressive.

[Killakobe81]

PER sucks ... as the only indicator it is helpful but should not be the be all end all +/- is the same way ...

and you can forget the hints about Kobe i could care less what you nimrods that bash him for PER
I disagree with the crap that PER nerds post that chris paul is better than Magic ...
That alone makes the stat far less credible ...

[exstatic]

That's why Batum's numbers are so impressive. He is a defensive specialist yet achieves this high a value even though the numbers are skewed more to the offensive end.

Too bad you'll lose him under the new CBA and the hard cap.

[DAF86]

This is why PER doesn't mean all that much. It measures some stats but it doesn't measure a player's true value to a team. Not just Batum but Maggette too. Maggette is not as good as his PER. He's just piling up stats because of the offensive system the Warriors run.

PER says that Chris Paul is better than Magic Johnson.

That's a stupid argument to use against PER. The player efficiency rating (emphasis on the "efficiency") helps you realize who the most efficient players on the league are, the pace at which that team's player plays has little to none effect on the results.

PER IMO is one of the best stats on the NBA.

[namlook]

That's a stupid argument to use against PER. The player efficiency rating (emphasis on the "efficiency") helps you realize who the most efficient players on the league are, the pace at which that team's player plays has little to none effect on the results.

Wrong. Maggette is shooting 51.4% from the field this season while his career FG% is only 45%. That's an astronomical difference. For ten seasons Maggette was a 45% shooter, then he joins the Warriors and all of a sudden his offensive efficiency goes through the roof. The wide open offense his team is running has a lot to do with his efficiency. Players don't make a sudden jump in efficiency that large without external factors.

Anyone that can't recognize that PER can be impacted by the team around the player and the style of play of the team is simply naive about the game of basketball. Maggette is a textbook example of how these factors affect PER and efficiency.

[DAF86]

Wrong. Maggette is shooting 51.4% from the field this season while his career FG% is only 45%. That's an astronomical difference. For ten seasons Maggette was a 45% shooter, then he joins the Warriors and all of a sudden his offensive efficiency goes through the roof. The wide open offense his team is running has a lot to do with his efficiency. Players don't make that kind of sudden jump in efficiency without external factors.

Anyone that can't recognize that PER is impacted by the team around the player and the style of play of the team is simply naive about the game of basketball. Maggette is a textbook example of how these factors affect PER and efficiency.

Well those factors don't only affect PER, they affect stats in general and more importantly they affect the way a player performs, so as you can see your argument still isn't a good one.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL @ the PER haters..

Maggette's average PER was higher with the Clippers than it has been with Golden State..during his prime years with the Clippers, he consistently had a PER around 20..the Clippers were a slightly above average paced team, and they've never been known for having a system that inflates stats..Maggette's PER has VERY LITTLE to do with playing for the Warriors..

PER admittedly has flaws, it overrates certain aspects, underrated assists, and it doesn't account for defense(no star can 100% accurately describe defense anyways)..Maggette's flaws have always been that he doesn't play consistent defense and that he isn't a team-player..he's certainly talented and efficient..

As mogrovejo keeps saying, Batum's PER is so high because he's played like 25 games this season..obviously it evens out with the more games he's going to play..

Comparing Chris Paul to Magic is completely irrelevant..a raw PER number can't be compared for different seasons, it's completely dependent on comparing players of THAT particular season, since it has to measure the average PER of the league..the best way to compare PER is to look at that player's individual rankings in PER for every season..

[namlook]

Well those factors don't only affect PER, they affect stats in general and more importantly they affect the way a player performs, so as you can see your argument still isn't a good one.

Maggette's increased efficiency has a lot to do with the system in which the is playing at Golden State. Maggette's FG% suddenly increased by an abnormally large percentage after being constant for 10 seasons and his PER this season is a CAREER HIGH. Case closed.

PER is a useful stat but it only tells part of the story. People seem to forget this.