AOC should leave the Democratic Party

[spurraider21]

im sure people on twitter offered that criticism, and i know you love looking for random hilarious comments on muh rose twitter

im just asking how you came to the conclusion that it is his biggest or most common criticism, but all i've really gotten is "nuh uh" and spongebob.jpeg

Every single article discussed it. He was asked about it in the debates. You are being insanely obtuse at this point by pretending it doesn't exist

sigh

i also mentioned kamala at the debate more than once

[AaronY]

Dems should keep moving further left.

Darrin we can all disagree about a lot around here but I think we can all agree don't nobody want to hear from you here. Please logoff asap.

[Will Hunting]

Darrin we can all disagree about a lot around here but I think we can all agree don't nobody want to hear from you here. Please logoff asap.

not necessary to tell him to log off, Darrin has been pulverized so many times on this forum that his posts amount to either 1 sentence hit and runs or YouTube videos if someone asks him to elaborate.

[Spurminator]

Exactly, which is why the “we need muh Biden because he’s a nice cuddly moderate who’ll convince Fox News viewers that Democrats are nice!” arguments are re ed. No matter who the Democrats pick 35% to 40% of this country will believe the candidate is a radical socialist who wants to nationalize everything come Election Day.

The Democrats could nominate Joe Manchin as the candidate with Doug Jones as his running mate and you’d see Republicans marching in the streets with “JOE MANCHIN IS A COMMUNIST WELCOME TO RUSSIA!” signs if he were to win.

It may be wishful thinking but I do think Biden is a possible exception to my post. If Biden can swing even 10% of the rural vote that could make the difference. Then it becomes a question of whether liberals show up, and I understand the concern from Aaron's perspective because it sounds like we have a pretty similar Twitter feed

That doesn't mean he's my favorite candidate on the issues (and the debates have been disheartening). But the idea of impacting some of the 2016 Trump vote isn't without merit. It's only moot if we assume that the reverse effect is liberals not being motivated enough to vote for a center-skewing liberal over Trump.

[AaronY]

not necessary to tell him to log off, Darrin has been pulverized so many times on this forum that his posts amount to either 1 sentence hit and runs or YouTube videos if someone asks him to elaborate.

I thought he might be voting for Biden so I'm clearly the dumbest person here.

[AaronY]

Darrin currently supports one democrat: JFK who's been dead for 60 years conveniently

[Will Hunting]

I thought he might be voting for Biden so I'm clearly the dumbest person here.

I like how he calls Trump Drumpf because he wants to convince everyone he’s not a Trumper so his positive commentary on Trump will seem more credible when everyone here knows he voted for Trump

”guys I don’t even like Drumpf (obviously since I’m calling him DRUMPF) so I’m not biased here but I think he’s maybe the best president we’ve had since Reagan!”

[Will Hunting]

Darrin currently supports one democrat: JFK who's been dead for 60 years conveniently

He supports JFK for lowering the top marginal tax rate from 91% to an ultra low 70%

[Will Hunting]

It may be wishful thinking but I do think Biden is a possible exception to my post. If Biden can swing even 10% of the rural vote that could make the difference. Then it becomes a question of whether liberals show up, and I understand the concern from Aaron's perspective because it sounds like we have a pretty similar Twitter feed

That doesn't mean he's my favorite candidate on the issues (and the debates have been disheartening). But the idea of impacting some of the 2016 Trump vote isn't without merit. It's only moot if we assume that the reverse effect is liberals not being motivated enough to vote for a center-skewing liberal over Trump.

I think whatever actual arguments and facts that are lacking in painting Biden as a communist will get made up for with more repe ion and volume by right wing media outlets, not to mention the love he gets from a lot of Dems for being black president’s VP can easily be flipped in the other direction with Republicans.

I’d actually agree with you 4 years ago (when Biden should have run), but now those rural voters love Trump too much. Biden’s campaign is also not going to swing any voters, he’s making the same mistake Hillary made. All he does during the debates is say some semblance “TRUMP BAD, PICK ME AND I MAKE TRUMP LOSE!”, there’s no effort to use his background as a blue collar dip from Scranton to appeal to other blue collar dip s from holes like Scranton

[baseline bum]

Exactly, which is why the “we need muh Biden because he’s a nice cuddly moderate who’ll convince Fox News viewers that Democrats are nice!” arguments are re ed. No matter who the Democrats pick 35% to 40% of this country will believe the candidate is a radical socialist who wants to nationalize everything come Election Day.

The Democrats could nominate Joe Manchin as the candidate with Doug Jones as his running mate and you’d see Republicans marching in the streets with “JOE MANCHIN IS A COMMUNIST WELCOME TO RUSSIA!” signs if he were to win.

I don't know how anyone could view working with Republicans as anything but negative considering how they stole a Supreme Court seat by deciding it was ok for the Supreme Court to be an 8 person court. That's why I will 100% support court packing if the Democrats win the presidency and the senate. McConnell already set the precedent that there is no need for the Supreme Court to be 9 justices so he can ing live with it when he's not the one in power.

[Will Hunting]

I don't know how anyone could view working with Republicans as anything but negative considering how they stole a Supreme Court seat by deciding it was ok for the Supreme Court to be an 8 person court. That's why I will 100% support court packing if the Democrats win the presidency and the senate. McConnell already set the precedent that there is no need for the Supreme Court to be 9 justices so he can ing live with it when he's not the one in power.

When Joe Biden says Republicans other than Trump are reasonable he’s simply ignoring realty. He had a front row seat to the 8 years of the unprecented obstruction McConnell exhibited despite there being a clear mandate by the American people after 2008 to let Democrats run because Republicans and their deregulation were the ones who ed it up.

[baseline bum]

When Joe Biden says Republicans other than Trump are reasonable he’s simply ignoring realty. He had a front row seat to the 8 years of the unprecented obstruction McConnell exhibited despite there being a clear mandate by the American people after 2008 to let Democrats run because Republicans and their deregulation were the ones who ed it up.

Pretty much. I still remember Grassley wanting to work with Obama on the ACA at first, since it was similar to the healthcare plan Grassley was part of as a GOP alternative to Clinton's promised healtcare bill when he got elected, until the GOP got their marching orders from McConnell and the Kochs that they had to resist everything scary negro did. Having a scary black man in the White House just drove the GOP off the ing deep end.

[Winehole23]

I don't know how anyone could view working with Republicans as anything but negative considering how they stole a Supreme Court seat by deciding it was ok for the Supreme Court to be an 8 person court. That's why I will 100% support court packing if the Democrats win the presidency and the senate. McConnell already set the precedent that there is no need for the Supreme Court to be 9 justices so he can ing live with it when he's not the one in power.

The creation of new US states shouldn't be ruled out either. Throwing Republican heads out of power and keeping them out for a spell has never been so important.

[Will Hunting]

Pretty much. I still remember Grassley wanting to work with Obama on the ACA at first, since it was similar to the healthcare plan Grassley was part of as a GOP alternative to Clinton's promised healtcare bill when he got elected, until the GOP got their marching orders from McConnell and the Kochs that they had to resist everything scary negro did. Having a scary black man in the White House just drove the GOP off the ing deep end.

Meh I think they certainly used scary negro as a tool but they were already driving off the deep end. Matt Taibbi explained it really well years ago, but the Republican Party has a platform that s its voter base over. After 8 years of right wing politics leading to a ing economic crisis, they had no choice but to move further to the right and tell their base “THE PROBLEM IS THAT BUSH DIDNT GO FAR ENOUGH TO SHRINK GOVERNMENT!!!”, any other strategy would have been an inherent admission that right wing style deregulation doesn’t work....meanwhile ever since Clinton Democrats have taken the bait and simply followed them to the right every time they become more extreme, so it works out well for those who actually benefit from votingrepublican.jpeg when Republicans swing the country to the right, even if it means a 1996 or 2008 level skunker once every decade.

[Will Hunting]

The creation of new US states shouldn't be ruled out either. Throwing Republican heads out of power and keeping them out for a spell has never been so important.

Agreed...the 600k population of Washington DC doesn’t get any senators but the heads in the Dakotas get 4.

[ducks]

I used to think this but just don’t see it anymore after 2016. The Republican primary was as nasty as primary debates get but in the end Republicans turned out their base better than the Democrats did. In a political climate as polarizing as were in nastiness and infighting seems to be what draws voter interest.

People like trump
The base did did not turn out in 2018 when trump was not on ballot

[ChumpDumper]

i dont disagree... but unless you can demonstrate that they were "out of line" in a more statistically significant way than is the norm, i dont see how you can go with the "this is how you get trump elected" shtick

obama carried despite clinton voters because he ran a strong campaign. clinton coulnd't overcome less internal resistance and a substantially ter opponent than mccain (tho palin is easily more re ed than trump)

Margins weren’t close in 2008 or 2012, they didn’t wondrously become closer in 2016, they were closer because Clinton ran a ty campaign, which isn’t the Berniebros’ fault.

you're both saying it's more important when the margins are closer.

counts.

[Will Hunting]

you're both saying it's more important when the margins are closer.

counts.

Yes, every vote is more important when margins are slimmer. I never said otherwise. Great job!

You skipping over the cause of why they’re slimmer is what my point was, but you already knew that.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, every vote is more important when margins are slimmer. I never said otherwise. Great job!

You skipping over the cause of why they’re slimmer is what my point was, but you already knew that.

Right. I'm just sticking with my point, on which we all agree. Too bad it came down to that.

[spurraider21]

13% of republicans who primaried against mccain in 2008 either voted for obama (9%) or didnt vote (4%). cant find anything on the 2012 republican primary. if a candidate requires some anomalous amount of primary-voter support... then maybe its not right to blame that factor

[ChumpDumper]

13% of republicans who primaried against mccain in 2008 either voted for obama (9%) or didnt vote (4%). cant find anything on the 2012 republican primary. if a candidate requires some anomalous amount of primary-voter support... then maybe its not right to blame that factor

Not convinced.

anyone responsible for this show.

[spurraider21]

Not convinced.

anyone responsible for this show.

but especially bernie bros!

[koriwhat]

At least she could if she wanted to, not like some inbred who doesn't have a passprt

Damn what a burn! An inbred jab with a passport crossover! Damn player!

[koriwhat]

truthbomb.org

old soft white geezers seem to have an achilles heel with strong colored women

id make Cardi. B speaker of d house and watch old white flaccid s collapse

With that horrible lisp of hers?

[TheGreatYacht]

Not convinced.

anyone responsible for this show.

#StillWithHer

AaronY and ChumpDumper still salty