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    Because in Europe, if you do what you say you want to do, the government pays off child support for you to the mother, then turns around and tries to collect from you, including getting a default judgement if you decide to be a no-show.

    So you're not messing with her anymore, you're messing with an European government. Once you're messing with a government, reciprocity among different European nations applies.

    On top of that, read this carefully:

    United States and Agreements with Other Countries
    The United States has reciprocal agreements with several foreign countries for the enforcement of child support orders through the Secretary of State. Currently, the United States has treaties with Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, Ireland, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal and Slovak Republic regarding the enforcement of child support orders. The United States also has similar agreements with Austria, El Salvador, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Israel, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

    The Office of Child Support Enforcement also assists states and countries with the enforcement of international child support orders. It assists the United States Department of State with negotiating and implementing foreign reciprocating countries and provinces and the most recent international Hague treaty for child support. The United States currently has 26 such foreign reciprocating countries and provinces that it has arrangements with.


    That's a lot more countries than what you listed, and pretty much any important country in Europe save for Italy and Spain. Again, I don't think you did your homework on this.

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    It's time to revisit that "everybody ignore Andy" thread. This is some of the dumbest I've ever read. People get pregnant on accident all the time, and the world is full of dead-beat dads. But no guy ever seeks out a 1+ year relationship with a woman with the intention of having a child with her only to abandon them both... completely premeditated. And to think this guy wants to attract an educated woman.

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    Because in Europe, if you do what you say you want to do, the government pays off child support for you to the mother, then turns around and tries to collect from you, including getting a default judgement if you decide to be a no-show.

    So you're not messing with her anymore, you're messing with an European government. Once you're messing with a government, reciprocity among different European nations applies.

    On top of that, read this carefully:

    United States and Agreements with Other Countries
    The United States has reciprocal agreements with several foreign countries for the enforcement of child support orders through the Secretary of State. Currently, the United States has treaties with Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, Ireland, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal and Slovak Republic regarding the enforcement of child support orders. The United States also has similar agreements with Austria, El Salvador, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Israel, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

    The Office of Child Support Enforcement also assists states and countries with the enforcement of international child support orders. It assists the United States Department of State with negotiating and implementing foreign reciprocating countries and provinces and the most recent international Hague treaty for child support. The United States currently has 26 such foreign reciprocating countries and provinces that it has arrangements with.


    That's a lot more countries than what you listed, and pretty much any important country in Europe save for Italy and Spain. Again, I don't think you did your homework on this.
    I definitely did my homework on that, and remember the exact page you referenced. Again, those are mostly Western European countries, save for like you said, Spain and Italy. Eastern Europe is pretty much fair game east of Czechoslovakia. Also, I find it oddly peculiar that Mexico isn't on the list (strangely, El Salvador is ftr). Tons of horndog 20-something guys go to places like Cancun and Cozumel every year, and I'm sure many a few have impregnated a few locals under the radar before returning home for spring break...

    When you said "can't go to Europe anymore", I thought you were implying that Americans can't go to Europe anymore because of Covid. But Covid is pretty much over. That's what I thought you were referring to, not child support. But the whole "having a child" thing is a very abstract possibility, not a premeditated thing.

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    It's time to revisit that "everybody ignore Andy" thread. This is some of the dumbest I've ever read. People get pregnant on accident all the time, and the world is full of dead-beat dads. But no guy ever seeks out a 1+ year relationship with a woman with the intention of having a child with her only to abandon them both... completely premeditated. And to think this guy wants to attract an educated woman.
    i literally cant figure out if he or derp is the bigger re

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    I definitely did my homework on that, and remember the exact page you referenced. Again, those are mostly Western European countries, save for like you said, Spain and Italy. Eastern Europe is pretty much fair game east of Czechoslovakia. Also, I find it oddly peculiar that Mexico isn't on the list (strangely, El Salvador is ftr). Tons of horndog 20-something guys go to places like Cancun and Cozumel every year, and I'm sure many a few have impregnated a few locals under the radar before returning home for spring break...

    When you said "can't go to Europe anymore", I thought you were implying that Americans can't go to Europe anymore because of Covid. But Covid is pretty much over. That's what I thought you were referring to, not child support. But the whole "having a child" thing is a very abstract possibility, not a premeditated thing.
    It doesn't work like that. If you have a legal judgement against you, you're at large and there's an order for your arrest to appear in front of a judge, the moment you set foot anywhere in Europe, you're going to get your ass arrested and taken to the judge.

    The reciprocity agreement at that point is not between the US and non-Eurozone countries, it's between the Eurozone and non-Eurozone countries. Again, I don't think you thought this through very well.

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    It doesn't work like that. If you have a legal judgement against you, you're at large and there's an order for your arrest to appear in front of a judge, the moment you set foot anywhere in Europe, you're going to get your ass arrested and taken to the judge.

    The reciprocity agreement at that point is not between the US and non-Eurozone countries, it's between the Eurozone and non-Eurozone countries. Again, I don't think you thought this through very well.
    Andy and thinking...

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    It doesn't work like that. If you have a legal judgement against you, you're at large and there's an order for your arrest to appear in front of a judge, the moment you set foot anywhere in Europe, you're going to get your ass arrested and taken to the judge.

    The reciprocity agreement at that point is not between the US and non-Eurozone countries, it's between the Eurozone and non-Eurozone countries. Again, I don't think you thought this through very well.
    so basically I gotta move to like in' Malaysia if I wanna have kids then leave? Damn... ok though.

    Maybe it's better I meet someone who already has a kid instead... hot milfs who are fit and in shape are nice to meet and play around with.

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    Polska is tough. People don't just hit the town and sit at the bar here. Everyone is occupied by someone. Eastern Europe is damn hard for a lone wolf. I am reminded why I always meet up with family members here. Cousins to the dupa. You try to approach people here by yourself and will be viewed as weirdo if not punched.

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    Polska is tough. People don't just hit the town and sit at the bar here. Everyone is occupied by someone. Eastern Europe is damn hard for a lone wolf. I am reminded why I always meet up with family members here. Cousins to the dupa. You try to approach people here by yourself and will be viewed as weirdo if not punched.
    So basically the same as Texas/Uptown Dallas, eh? Seems like it. Either you're part of a clique or you get nowhere as a lone wolf. I don't want that.

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    So basically the same as Texas/Uptown Dallas, eh? Seems like it. Either you're part of a clique or you get nowhere as a lone wolf. I don't want that.
    I mean some of that is money based. Who can afford to hit the city and pay 3x for beer. People aren't rude here but you better speak the language if you approach someone. Accent means you are a foreigner and that puts you in another category.

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    I mean some of that is money based. Who can afford to hit the city and pay 3x for beer. People aren't rude here but you better speak the language if you approach someone. Accent means you are a foreigner and that puts you in another category.
    yeah with google translate there'd definitely be an accent

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    How Andy thinks it’s going to go — I’m going to pump and dump an educated Slavic woman. Knock her up even! She’ll never see it coming ha ha ha ha!

    How it will actually go — she’ll see him coming 1000 km away, con him out of all his assets, then have her brothers slit his throat.

    Nobody understands human nature better than the Slavs do.

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    Andy gets his romantic ideas from watching TLC and porn.

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    How Andy thinks it’s going to go — I’m going to pump and dump an educated Slavic woman. Knock her up even! She’ll never see it coming ha ha ha ha!

    How it will actually go — she’ll see him coming 1000 km away, con him out of all his assets, then have her brothers slit his throat.

    Nobody understands human nature better than the Slavs do.
    He is just thinking with his wallet. Which has truth to it when you consider Slavic women that relocate to the West tend to fall for the propaganda hard. The word is out that the West is well a bit off putting and always been far from family.

    The East is improving and with that women's expectations to leave. I look around, the people mostly own the same stuff but don't spend waste as much. Probably why 9.5/10 girls have tight bodies. Dudes our age tend to have a bit of a lower stomach cushion from the beer and meat/bread diet. I'm doing situps everyday and still seeing slight increase from time to time.

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    He is just thinking with his wallet. Which has truth to it when you consider Slavic women that relocate to the West tend to fall for the propaganda hard. The word is out that the West is well a bit off putting and always been far from family.

    The East is improving and with that women's expectations to leave. I look around, the people mostly own the same stuff but don't spend waste as much. Probably why 9.5/10 girls have tight bodies. Dudes our age tend to have a bit of a lower stomach cushion from the beer and meat/bread diet. I'm doing situps everyday and still seeing slight increase from time to time.
    Not me. I don't drink beer except for the occasional occasion at a friend's house and yet I eat lots of meat but not the fast food junk and I eat more veggies than bread. I'll always be 5'8" and 130-140 with a fit bod.

    Guys that drink beer and eat potato chips/Doritos/misc junk food when they're at home alone playing video games are fat losers. Those are times when I usually just forego eating altogether. I'm pretty much a social eater only; if I'm alone, I usually don't bother to eat more than a couple hundred calories and go to sleep. And I've never drank alone in my life, save for the time I tried to chug rum when I was 15 a freshman in high school after my first break up. (That didn't go over well with my tummy.)

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    Polska is tough. People don't just hit the town and sit at the bar here. Everyone is occupied by someone. Eastern Europe is damn hard for a lone wolf. I am reminded why I always meet up with family members here. Cousins to the dupa. You try to approach people here by yourself and will be viewed as weirdo if not punched.
    The US is hard as a lone wolf too tbh.

    However, it's pretty easy to join a clique here if you want to do it.

    1) join a club (running, volleyball, crossfit, rock-climbing, etc.)
    2) get really good at that activity
    3) get invited to events, get-togethers outside of activity
    4) voila! you're now part of a clique

    But if your IQ is above 100 and you can stomach overpriced bars, 'high-school' at ude drama, overpriced cities, being bombarded by pop-culture goldsteinrecords.jpg music, and stalling your career to waste your time engaging in these f@ggy activities then the likelihood is high that you'll wake up at 35 (next to your wife who has let herself go), reach for the 9mm that's conveniently bedside for this particular occassion, and pull the trigger thus implementing the Viability of Suicide. i could never do it personally, but that's because the 'big city' culture here is garbage.

    how would someone new to the Eastern Europe find a group?

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