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From GM 4 on, if you got within 3 feet of Dwhistle it was a foul.They were both bad; butat you pretending 2006 was worse, homer.
They were both bad; but
From GM 4 on, if you got within 3 feet of Dwhistle it was a foul.They were both bad; but
You're not gonna find a non Mavs fan who agrees with you on 06 being worse than 02. Not gonna happen.
Well
KG was elite MVP-caliber player from 2000-2008 (in 2000 all-nba teamer and all-star for first time, 2nd in MVP voting, 3rd in MVP voting in 2008)
Dirk was elite MVP-caliber player from 2002-2011 (in 2002 all-nba teamer and all-star simulteniously for 1st time, Fiba World Cup MVP, 6th in MVP voting in 2011 )
Both were the same age at 23
Their stats in the playoffs in those years:
KG - 61 games 22.3 ppg 12.8 rpg 4.5 apg 1.4 spg 1.5 bpg 2.9 tpg 47.1% fg and 51.5 ts%
Dirk - 114 games 26.1 ppg 10.6 rpg 2.7 apg 1.1 spg 1.0 bpg 2.4 tpg 46.7% fg and 58.5 ts%
other stats:
KG - 24.5 per; 28,7 usage rate; 0.175 ws/per48, 6.9 bpm and 5.6 vorp (counting stat, more game ->higher value)
Dirk - 25.0 per; 27.3 usage rate; 0.207 ws/per48, 6.7 bpm and 10.3 vorp
Total career playoffs games: KG-143 Dirk-145. First guy played 43% of games as superstar player, second 79%. KG from 2002-2006, his best years, played just 27 games in 5 seasons (5,4 games per year). It prevented him from increasing his stats. All of it should be taken into account when you're comparing their playoffs careers.
Some observations:
1. KG had usage of 28.3 even higher than Dirk. While it's flawed stat and Dirk was more impactful and active on offense, it's still shows that KG wasn't disappearing in the playoffs (you didn't tell it Neo, but others did);
2. They had quite similar stats (win shares favours players on better teams, per favours offensive players, while some adv. stats are designed in favour of player like KG). KG also played 36% of games less as an elite player in postseason.
Because of all these combined factors ^, I don't see that Dirk's superior offense gives him advantage in impact over KG's versatility. It looks like they had similar overall impact but in different way. It also looks like Dirk's team success can be attributed for playing for superior franchise and they're should be ranked next to each other in no particular order.
KG was elite in 2009 pre-injury and would've been presumably much better 09-12 had that not occurred.
I give Dirk 2012, too w/o the benefit of looking at stats. He didn't drop that much in a year.
Fact is Mavs would've been challenging for a repeat if Cuban hadn't cheaped out on signing Chandler.
I don't know the NBA financials, but with all that revenue sharing sh** it's entirely possible that Cuban was going to make more money with the Heat winning going forward.
And if not, I don't put it past Stern to do backroom deals either to incentivize him.
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me how that taste like
So? Terry had more creative ability and responsibility, which meant more pull up attempts.
They were both good shooters and sub par defenders, but Terry was the superior creator/play maker and had longevity.
Shame that Walton was injured.
Bias could help to extend Celtics sucess straight through the late 90s.
Walton gave kareem the business
Kareem gave Bill the business
Real question. Where do you rank the Admiral? Peak for peak I think he’s one of the greatest players ever but career wise he did fall shorter than original expectations. Some of that is bad luck, lots of injuries to himself and teammates, bad front office hiring 6 coaches in 5 years, and people forget we were robbed 2 more excellent years because of his commitment to the Navy. If Robinson has 2 more years like his rookie year (which seems plausible) I think he would be ranked so much higher than he is now
"How Danny Ainge is not in the Hall of Fame player is beyond me."
"Danny Ainge was an elite player who took a subservient role for the sake of winning."
Tell 'em, Bill.
Yea, I know there's a case that he's not top 25.
He couldn't shoot the three very well.
He may be the most over-rated defender of all-time besides Kobe.
There was about six fake fouls called for him every game.
He never won a championship that wasn't handed to him.
But he was quite athletic and skilled and probably in that 20-30 range.
True true
KG > Dirk
Most list have him at about 30 which I agree with. Him getting undressed by Hakeem in 95 did not help his cause. I felt like that team with Rodman should have rang. But they didn't thanks to lack of leadership.
if ur a loser like KG, ur only option is to pad ur stats to make it look like ur elite...do they translate to wins?...
I used to love watching him make racial slurs to Dirk(you could easily read his lips) And Dirk took his azz to the cleaners time after time. Same thing with Duncan. He had no shot vs Tim and was outclassed. Yet he was still jawing when they were down 15 in the 4th vs SA
I like KG but have a hard time seeing how people place him over Dirk, all things considered.
Sucks when what you think you know comes shattering.
It's really hard for fan boys to accept.
Not one word of what you said was true
But you are entertaining. Thanks
You have a lot of decent enough takes.Not one word of what you said was true
But you are entertaining. Thanks
But the Jordan propaganda is ingrained in you.
It'll take a long time for you to shake those shackles.
Lets examine what you said:
At of all that, didn't shoot the three very well is the only one you can legitmately argue in comparison to other superstars. And we are also talking about the same guy who broke a Finals record for 3 pointers vs Portland. So he could shoot the 3, but it really wasn't a thing then, so he didn't. The other stuff you mentioned are either subjective and/or the kind of stuff that you could say about any other superstar.
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