10 people voted. 6 said Tim Duncan should be Finals MVP. That means Tim Duncan should've been Finals MVP.
Luckily, the vote counter was able to correctly discern this information and correct player was awarded with the trophy.
Ok, maybe not unanimously but the argument can be made that Manu deserved the MVP over TD. I'd have given it to him but can see why others would give it to TD. Although, in Game 7, it took TD 27 shot attempts to get 25 points to Manu's 13 shots to get his 23 and Manu was clutch in the Championship minutes there.
Tim's defensive impact was head and shoulders above Manu's in that series, too. While both were great, Tim definitely deserved the MVP. Came through clutch in the fourth quarter of game 7 to put it away. Easily the toughest series TD ever played matchup-wise, and he came through when everything was on the line.
Needless attempt to be a . It's a rational argument.
Lol Gino's TS% was 61% while Duncan had a 37 TS%
Your "argument" was that Manu Ginobili "should've" won finals MVP. The facts disagree with that statement.
Yeah, I'm sure being guarded by Rasheed Wallace and Ben Wallace and McDyess the majority of the series and keeping them occupied and setting screens for Manu has nothing to do with Manu shooting better.
Well, it's not really fair to compare defensive assignments in that Finals and Manu was no slouch in it either, leading the team in steals.
Granger is the missing piece! Your one of those Spurs fan that says Manu can still be the Manu of old?! Stop being in denial. This team needs an extra athletic wing.
TD was definitely more consistent from game to game than Manu in that series.
Manu helps the Spurs win the champion; but Timmy is the foundation; without him, the Spurs doesn't even have a chance. Ditto for 07 though Tony was the Finals MVP. After 08, you may argue Tony has become the foundation (sans last season). Before that, it's all about Timmy.
I agree; I think justice was served.
I would have been okay with a 5-5 vote and Co-MVPs, too. But in no way do I think Manu meant more to the team than Timmy did. Especially Game 7. Spurs down by 9 and season inches from slipping away, on our home floor no less. A call goes our way and all of a sudden no one on the court can guard Timmy, and the master goes to work. Manu was absolutely great all playoffs, but that was one of those rare "snatching victory from the clutches of defeat" moment, only 3rd quarter be damned. If that had lead ballooned up any further, if the Pistons gained any more momentum ... no way do the Spurs rally back, IMHO. The Pistons were just too good.
WTF. What's with 2005 MVP Finals debate on Granger's status.
I don't think the stats are that far off where giving it to Manu would have been blasphemy. As you remember, Duncan almost cost them game 5 down the stretch. If stats alone told the whole story, Kevin Love would be in the MVP conversation by putting up 27 and 13.
Duncan deserved the MVP, but Manu was playing at a near MVP level in the biggest Finals defensive battle of the past two decades.
That's what clinched it for him no doubt. Just like his play in 6 would have last season.
Manu had a great series but he was playing off of prime Duncan. That opened so many things for him. Duncan was the center of each opponents entire defensive gameplan back then.
You are correct. Manu did come up huge though and Tony would always shrivel then and get benched while some others would step in and finish the game so opening up the floor didn't seem to do much for him at the time in the big series.
This isn't about Granger being a "missing piece". Anyone who knows what they're talking about knows he's a fringe rotation player right now and more than likely will be for the remainder of the season (heck, he might just be that now period, but that can't be said with certainty until next season given how much time he's missed). This is about getting the best insurance possible at this point . . . and let's be honest, no matter how bad he is in his current state, it'd have been nice to see a big name pick the Spurs for once.
Manu is not the manu of old. Similarly, danny granger is not the danny of old. If he was then he never would have been traded and he would have been playingstarters minutes. Lost a step so he cant effectively penetrate. He is essentially a chucker eith length. Current manu > current granger. Granger has never been able to create for others. Manu still can. The majority of people commenting clearly are basing their opinions on old danny. New danny cant surpass danny green, manu or beli in the rotation. Anyone who thinks otherwise is way off.
Granger is the missing piece! Your one of those Spurs fan that says Manu can still be the Manu of old?! Stop being in denial. This team needs an extra athletic wing.
Granger on 1 knee is better than Jeff Ayres.
If you didn't see in the other thread yet, Granger going to the Clips like we all knew he would.
I always have to sit back and laugh at guys who "respect" the Spurs but choose play for a franchise not only known for failure, but the most racist terrible ownership in the game
Don't worry we'll feel better when we see ESPN cut to puppy dog eyed Granger as the clock ticks down on the Clips playoff run, contender my ass.I always have to sit back and laugh at guys who "respect" the Spurs but choose play for a franchise not only known for failure, but the most racist terrible ownership in the game
It's not so much the contender thing. It's the going out of the way to say you respect the Spurs would & would love to play for Pop, but don't do it when you have a choice and instead play for a laughing stock of a franchise with one of the worst humans on the planet as an owner.
I respect old people but that doesn't mean if they were putting a team together I'd want to play with them. Spurs are a great organization but Granger knows this is a stop gap, he won't be there past this season if he chose the Spurs and he's thinking long term money.
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