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    Silence surpasses speech. duncan228's Avatar
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    OH WHAT A LOAD OF ING HORSE ! NO IT'S NOT HAPPENING. THE SPURS ARE NEVER CAPABLE OF LANDING SOMEONE LIKE MAGETTE. I DONT ING BUY IT. HE ALSO SAID HE WANTED TO GO TO ORLANDO. I SAY THIS DOESNT HAPPEN. SPURS ARENT CAPABLE OF PICKING UP A GUY LIKE THIS IN FREE AGENCY AND IT WONT ALL OF A SUDDEN START NOW!


    THOSE S AT YAHOO NEED TO CHANGE IT TO "ANYONE NOT NAMED THE SPURS FRONT-RUNNERS IN RACE FOR MAGGETTE!"

    IT WONT HAPPEN! I ING SWEAR TO GOD IT WONT ING HAPPEN! IN THE END FATE WILL DO IT'S PART AND NOT LET THIS HAPPEN.
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    Actually, there are three: Philly (money will be tied up on Smith), Memphis (won't add big salary), and Golden State (the most serious threat)
    Yeah someone pointed that out and I apologize for not seeing that earlier.

    Golden State will be tough to contend with, unless they go hard after Arenas.

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    We're not under cap.
    as of now with barry out and draft picks unsigned we are under the projected 58.5-59 m cap number for 2008-09 season

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    I'm sure you've done this a million times, but please explain the mechanics. Being under the cap allows means cap space, no?
    Yes.

    If so, does Barry opting out create more cap space? thanks in advance.
    No, as the Spurs were above the cap by a larger amount.

    The Spurs are over the cap, so they have their mid-level exception (worth $5.8 mil) and lower-level exception ($1.9 mil). They also have as many minimum player exceptions as they want. The NBA Salary Cap is not a hard cap.

    In addition, there are exceptions which are tied to certain players depending on how long they've been under contract with one team. This is known as "Bird Rights" (yes, named after Larry). There are full Bird Rights, Early-Bird Rights, and Non-Bird Rights. For example, the Spurs have full Bird Rights for Kurt Thomas, which means that they can re-sign him to a new contract up to the maximum player salary, if they were so inclined. Bird Rights are transferable for traded players.

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    Yeah someone pointed that out and I apologize for not seeing that earlier.

    Golden State will be tough to contend with, unless they go hard after Arenas.
    Yes, you're welcome.

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    There is a soft cap. Meaning, when the Spurs hit a certain amount (which they are already at even with Barry gone), they can't freely spend money. They have to use exceptions in order to retain their players or sign new ones. So, cap space has nothing to do with Barry. They can offer him the non-bird exception or as MB stated earlier in the thread, the LLE.
    gracias

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    If they get Maggette and JR Smith, I buy tickets.

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    as of now with barry out and draft picks unsigned we are under the projected 58.5-59 m cap number for 2008-09 season
    not enough to up the MLE.

    The MLE is SET.

    Come on Boras, figure it out.

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    If they Maggette and JR Smith, I buy tickets.
    Its either or dumbass.

    Stay away.

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    as of now with barry out and draft picks unsigned we are under the projected 58.5-59 m cap number for 2008-09 season
    The Spurs have not renounced Finley, Barry, and Thomas, so they are not under the cap. Given that they are likely to re-sign Thomas, he alone will ensure they don't go below the cap.

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    You clearly don't know about the salary cap, because if you did you'd know that the Spurs are already north of it even with Barry opting out.
    check your numbers...with barry opt out, spurs are at 56-56.5m with out signing draft picks....the projected cap for 2008-09 is 58.5-59m that means we are 2-3 mil under

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    Arenas will agree with Washington.

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    since when did you become a wiz at this ?

    Since when did your wife allow you on the computer after 9?

    Go make some pie small fry.

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    Yes.



    No, as the Spurs were above the cap by a larger amount.

    The Spurs are over the cap, so they have their mid-level exception (worth $5.8 mil) and lower-level exception ($1.9 mil). They also have as many minimum player exceptions as they want. The NBA Salary Cap is not a hard cap.

    In addition, there are exceptions which are tied to certain players depending on how long they've been under contract with one team. This is known as "Bird Rights" (yes, named after Larry). There are full Bird Rights, Early-Bird Rights, and Non-Bird Rights. For example, the Spurs have full Bird Rights for Kurt Thomas, which means that they can re-sign him to a new contract up to the maximum player salary, if they were so inclined. Bird Rights are transferable for traded players.
    awesome, ty.

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    check your numbers...with barry opt out, spurs are at 56-56.5m with out signing draft picks....the projected cap for 2008-09 is 58.5-59m that means we are 2-3 mil under
    2-3 million under, DOES NOTHING FOR THE MLE!!!

    christ.

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    Not sure I buy the Barry opted out to make room for Maggette theory. I'm sure Brent is a good guy and would take less money if that helped but what about minutes. Is Barry going to sit on the bench another year? Not a lot of minutes after Bowen, Maggetter, Ginobli, and Udoka. Not a lot of minutes at the point if Hill can handle the backup spot behind Parker.

    The more I think about it, I don't see Finley or Barry returning if this happens.

    Okay, for all the salary cap rookies on here...

    Barry opting out didn't do jack to free up room financially for Maggette. The Spurs are over the salary cap threshold already, even with Barry opting out.

    The Spurs are under the luxury tax, which you can treat as a de facto hard cap for the ownership group as it stands (though they have shown willingness to go over it minimally before).

    Barry opted out either to go elsewhere or because the Spurs told him that if he opted out of his $1.2 million deal, they'd give him the biannual LLE for $1.9 million for being a good soldier and coming back this spring when we did the swap with Seattle. Period.

    Carry on.

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    very nice for the spurs. cubes needs to make a move now.

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    Um, if we don't get a wing who can come in and give us double figures scoring every night and give Manu some rest during the regular season, we're screwed anyway, and that does take precedent over a marginal big.
    Thats what I was say;n

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    Barry opted out either to go elsewhere or because the Spurs told him that if he opted out of his $1.2 million deal, they'd give him the biannual LLE for $1.9 million for being a good soldier and coming back this spring when we did the swap with Seattle. Period.
    Wich if you sign Maggette thats fine.

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    as of now with barry out and draft picks unsigned we are under the projected 58.5-59 m cap number for 2008-09 season
    They didn't renounce his rights, so he still counts against cap. Mr. Agent.

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    Actually, there are three: Philly (money will be tied up on Smith), Memphis (won't add big salary), and Golden State (the most serious threat)
    GS is not a le contender...and Calif has a state income tax and Oakland is near city.

    As for Memphis, they just agreed with Marc Gasol:

    The Grizzlies made a bold trade on draft night to acquire O.J. Mayo. Now they might have added another "lottery" pick.

    Marc Gasol, the younger brother of Lakers center Pau Gasol, has agreed to a three-year deal worth $10 million, according to a league source. The contract has yet to be signed, but was said to be near completion.

    Gasol, 23, is considered one of the top players in Europe. Last year the 7-foot-1 center was named MVP of the Spanish League after averaging 16.2 points and 8.3 rebounds per game for Akasvayu Girona. He could join with 7-foot Darko Milicic to give the Grizzlies one of the taller frontcourts in the NBA.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...sol/index.html
    Last edited by CaptainLate; 07-01-2008 at 11:35 PM.

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    Forget that lash out from a few minutes ago. It just said the Spurs have interest in Maggette. I dont even care if the Magic get him. Im just glad to know all this excitment is that the spurs like Cory. The Mavs could use him too but they arent getting him and either are the spurs.

    Orlando or another team will get Cory. Spurs werent capable of landing guys like Cory back then and they sure as arent capable now.

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    The Spurs are probably only going to give him 24 hours to answer back, cuz they need to move onto plan B, so we will know soon.

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    Whoa. Somebody slap me around and call me Susan!

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