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You can't seem to see that people have a life outside their job. God saves your soul.
Manu's not stupid. He had thought hard and good with whatever decisions. I'm confident he knows what he's doing.
You can't seem to see that people have a life outside their job. God saves your soul.
and he had better be fully healthy, damn it!
The good thing about this thread is that it helps to classify posters between those who have common sense, rationality and honesty and the ducks short bus brigade on the other side.
So now the contract extension is on hold till after the Olympics? Interesting. When is the last day that you can sign the extension?
Growing up in the USA, there are all sorts of basketball heroes and legends: Mikan, Russell, Chamberlain, West, Dr J, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Duncan, etc., etc.
Basketball-mania is still a relatively new feeling for Argentines and Manu is by far the biggest figurehead of that basketball pride and joy. Imagine the pressure that is on him to play in the Olympics--maybe for the last time. What would people in the U.S. have said if Jordan pulled out from the Dream Team? They would have been mad as , would've called him a coward, a traitor, a selfish millionaire, etc.... we all know this is true. It would have tarnished his reputation forever. Manu is an intelligent person, he knows what's at stake, and he surely even understands why many Spurs fans don't want him to play-- but I think the moment in history is just too large and too meaningful for him and his family and his friends and his country... and for him to say no would mean disappointing an entire nation, an entire generation which views him as their Dr J & their Magic & their MJ all rolled into one. I'm a huge fan of the Spurs and understand the problems people have with him playing, but on this controversy I have to side with Manu. Ordering him not to play would probably amount to ordering him to carry an enormous Regret around for the rest of his life, and that's something no fan of his in any capacity could feel completely unconflicted about.
Last edited by Tully365; 07-05-2008 at 03:54 AM.
Interesting way to simplify the situation. But the situation is anything but simple, as there are many cir stances that keep Ginobili from being classified as a regular person with a regular job. For one, he wants to do the exact same thing he does as his job, outside his job. Two, his job is much more physically strenuous than the typical job. And by typical, I do not mean worker at McDonalds factory or crocodile hunter. Thus, his job alone takes a toll on his body, or anyone's for that matter if he or she were to follow through an NBA season. Three, his job does not allow vacation time other than the offseason. Many workers inevitably get sick and need to take off some time. If Ginobili were take a vacation (and we know some players do when they shouldn't), it would have a much greater impact on the "company" than a typical worker.
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he would need to retire in Uruguay or somewhere else if intentionally missed the Olympics.. i agree with this...
V2freak, it is that simple. Whether we want to accept such simplicity is another matter.Interesting way to simplify the situation. But the situation is anything but simple, as there are many cir stances that keep Ginobili from being classified as a regular person with a regular job. .[U][I]
Read the excellent post from Tully365, just ahead of your post, which I quote here:
"Ordering him not to play would probably amount to ordering him to carry an enormous regret around for the rest of his life, and that's something no fan of his in any capacity could feel completely unconflicted about."
Glad to hear that Manu is playing it is an honor to represent your country.
Manu is doing the right thing....heck, we have Yao and Scola playing......and Yao is not coming off some wimpy sprained ankle but a broken foot......
Still happy he is playing, this is a once every 4 years deal.......enjoy the bball, and stop worrying.
Don't worry, be happy.
DD
yeah I see why would be happy since ming is playing and you are a rockets fan
Not quite the same thing. Rocket's season is over by May every year, and Yao only plays every 4 years. Spurs have a 100+ game season every other year, and Manu wants to play not only Olympics, but WCs too.
This is a business. Fans don't come out to see players on the injured list or who have chronic injuries and look the way they did in the conference finals this year (which is old and battered).
If he is playing even at 80% in the olympics and gets injured again, then Pop is right in holding off any talk about contract extentions.
We don't get to choose when a player gets injured. If you, as a fan, don't want to go see them, then don't go. What chronic injuries Manu has? And if the Spurs don't extend him, so be it. He'll get paid until 2010 and then move on to sign a better contract somewhere else. THAT is business.
spurs may trade him before 2010 that is business especially if they do not think he will resign with them
As much as fans love Manu (myself included) he isn't going to get any better than his 05 campaign and I hope the Spurs don't give him an extension. His style, while entertaining, is reckless and his body is breaking down faster than most stars in the league. Plus he is the most INCONSISTENT of the Big 3 by a mile and a few inches as for every game he scores 20+ he will have three stinkers where he shoots 30%, commits two pivotal turnovers in the last three minutes and commits a bad foul that takes us out of the Finals. He is injury prone due to his tireless schedule and reckless style of play and that isn't good for the Spurs, or himself as he is a business man in the business of selling his body to the highest bidder and the Spurs are too smart to outbid others for half-decent goods, especially since they've already taken most of the tread off the tires so to say. He's a good investment that dips a little everytime and this is a business and the Spurs would be best to get the most mileage out of him while they can, then upgrade to a newer model at the same price. Thus is the business of the NBA.
Yes. Because he really is such a liability. He's nothing but an entertainer. In fact, he was so inconsistent last season that Barry and Finley had to pick up his slack to secure the Spurs a playoff spot.
Some people here have such ing short memories.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ighlight=Ditka
I honestly believe that had Ginobili been himself, the Spurs would have made it past the Lakers. Don't know about the Celtics though.
I have to agree with DBreiden and Walton here.
If his injury to his ankle remains the same or worsens due to his play at the Olympics, he has hurt the Spurs team.
It's that simple!
Totally agree with this.
What were Manu's numbers for the series?
I was planning on looking them up myself, but anyone know?
I just know that they were God awful!
Found the numbers and did the simple calculations myself:
All five games in WCF:
Manu averaged 12.6 pts/ game, 3.2 rebounds/ game, 3 assists/ game, had a ulative +/- of -9, shot 35.8% from the floor, including 36 % from 3.
Take away the one good game Manu had (game 3) and Manu's stats are unbelievably bad:
Manu, then, averaged: 7.2 pts/game, 3.5 rebounds/game, 3.5 assists/game, had a ulative +/- of -26, shot 26.3% from the floor including 22 % from 3.
Funny, Manu improved more his game this year. Trade him now for the best of the Team.
And the year after, we won another championship. Get over it.His style, while entertaining, is reckless and his body is breaking down faster than most stars in the league. Plus he is the most INCONSISTENT of the Big 3 by a mile and a few inches as for every game he scores 20+ he will have three stinkers where he shoots 30%, commits two pivotal turnovers in the last three minutes and commits a bad foul that takes us out of the Finals.
Ok. Trade him for a player who will never get injuries. And don't forget to find an answer for Manu.He is injury prone due to his tireless schedule and reckless style of play and that isn't good for the Spurs
Sure...that's easy. There are lots of people like him....He's a good investment that dips a little everytime and this is a business and the Spurs would be best to get the most mileage out of him while they can, then upgrade to a newer model at the same price. Thus is the business of the NBA.
...Enough...
I'm sorry for some fans who will never understand, but Manu wants to enjoy HIS LAST OLYMPIC GAMES in 14 days with friends and teammates that make him more happy than his job in San Antonio just because this games will never come back and i respect that.
Last edited by Cherry; 07-06-2008 at 12:45 AM.
If you know any All-Star in the NBA who is willing to get off the bench (or whenever Pop feels like it), please inform the FO. I am sure the FO can "upgrade" to this newer model. You are dreaming.
Manu is as rare as Duncan.
I think he is referring to J.R., or possibly Delfino.
He's taking more shots, I don't know if he's an overall better player though.
There will never be another Duncan. You think Ginobili is befitting of the same le?
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