So what happens if Brand signs with them ? Won't whatever $$ they give a FA just take Davis' slot ? I didn't think it effected Biedrins or Ellis.
Yes, clearly Maggette would be much higher than the fourth option on a Hornets team with Paul, West, and Peja on it
Yes, clearly Peja is firmly entrenched as the 3rd option. What, with the way he creates his own shot and puts down alley oops and all.
Now that you bring up alley oops, how do you know that Maggette wouldn't be the 5th option in New Orleans behind Paul, West, Peja, and Chandler?Yes, clearly Peja is firmly entrenched as the 3rd option. What, with the way he creates his own shot and puts down alley oops and all.
Because Chandler gets the standard 2 alley oops per game and the garbage points. He has no post game at all. He is not even the 4th option now.
Then all we have to worry about is Philly as far as Maggette is concerned.
Aggiehoops Fan mentioned that GS would have trouble signing their own restricted FA's AND an unrestricted FA like Maggette. If Brand went to Golden State (which I highly doubt) then Philly and New Orleans would be the 2 teams to worry about.
Why wasn't he the 4th option? Only Paul, West, and Peja averaged more PPG than Chandler did during the season.
Pargo averaged more.
Philly is busy offering contracts to Josh Smith.
New Orleans?
Eh we shall see.
It doesn't effect what they can give Biedrins or Ellis.
Right now they have 33 million in committed salaries. Ellis is on the books for 150% of his 2007-2008 salary (770K), so roughly 1.1 million. Biedrins is on for 150% of his (2.6 mil), roughly 4 million.
Both are expected to be $10 million dollar guys. Right now with the 150% salary hold, Golden State has $37 million on the books, well under the estimated $58 million salary cap.
If they re-signed both at their expected pay, that puts them up to about $53 million and now they can't offer the max to a guy like Brand, or more than the MLE to anyone else like Maggette, Smith, Childress, etc.
If Brand were to sign with them, they can still pay Ellis and Biedrins their market worth. It'd definitely put them over the salary cap but still come in under the luxury tax.
That's not what I said at all. I said if they re-signed Ellis and Biedrins first then that would take them out of the running for anything more than an MLE offer (see breakdown above).
If they wait, they can nab a guy like Brand and then worry about their own FAs.
Only in the Playoffs. During the regular season Paul averaged 21.1, West 20.6, Peja 16.4, and Chandler was 4th with 11.8 (Pargo was 6th with 8.1).
Peja was their third leading scorer yet you think he was the fourth option on that team? Um, okay...Yes, clearly Peja is firmly entrenched as the 3rd option. What, with the way he creates his own shot and puts down alley oops and all.
Actually, Josh Smith would fit very well with G.S style of play. He's long, athletic, can run. He just can't shoot very well.
He may fit in there well, but Atlanta is gonna match it.
If I have all my facts straight, I believe Biendris actually counts against the cap 300% of his 07-08 salary ($7.8 million) and Ellis counts 200% of his ($1.54 million).
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#30
They'd better. If they do, perhaps they wont be as willing to match an offer for the other Josh - Childress. It's amazing how these dominoes are invaribly linked. I"m already getting tired head from all this.
Hmm, you may have a point. I thought both were getting paid at or above the average salary, but hadn't bothered to check.
The point remains the same though - re-sign both and they don't have more than the MLE to play around with in FA, but until both are re-signed they have the ability to throw out a max offer.
You sarcastically inferred " and Maggette wouldn't be the 4 th option on a team WITH Paul, West and Peja ?".
If Maggette joined the Hornets do you still think Peja's your third option ?
In your post you said "what if he (Brand) signs with them"..in that case, their cap room would be used up & all we would have to worry about would be Philly who could offer him more than the MLE.
I disagree with you on that one. Peja would be regulated to 4th option. Damn, they would be tough.
You know, alot of people on SpursTalk assume that Maggette is being offered a starting spot. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Pop sold Maggette with "Come start for us and help us win a Championship".
Manu Ginobili deserves the starting spot over Maggette all day long. Until of course, Maggette becomes unsure of himself and passive when he does get minutes. I said last year that we would only go as far as Manu takes us. Manu is our stud 2 guard and is 10 times the player Maggette is. I would have Maggette come off the bench...just like Boston would.
From what I could tell, we were short about 12 to 14 pts in production. All we have to do is find that from somewhere...we don't need a superstar. We can get easily get those points from lesser FA's than a Maggette. That being said, if Maggette wants to come here, I'll take him in a heartbeat.
He may deserve it, but ultimately he can't play starter's minutes.Manu Ginobili deserves the starting spot over Maggette all day long.
Ginobili deserved the starting spot over Finley, but that didn't matter to Pop or to Ginobili for that matter. Ginobili provided the spark off the bench and is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Why would his outlook change if we added Maggette? Maggette is a definite upgrade over Finley, so I'm fairly certain that everyone knows (including Corey, Pop, and Manu) that Maggette would start if he signed with the Spurs.
Huh ? He got hurt, that's what limited his game. To me, he's like an AI...tough as , not afraid of contact and just keeps getting on up.
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