Old Bump: Finley Re-signs with Spurs

[HarlemHeat37]

SS- I actually agree that I exaggerated and that I emphasized Finley's mistakes because of my dislike for having him on the team right now..but I stand by my argument..I expect much more out of Finley than I do out of a Bowen or Udoka offensively..Finley was a 20 point scorer in Dallas, so he should be better suited for passing/ball handling since he was used to having the ball in his hands..while he was never known as a passer, he's a veteran that should be smart enough to make good decisions with the ball and handle it better..

if only we could have kept Barry..

[whottt]

Here...I fixed it for you.

[OH MY GOD. I'm SO sorry that I directed those comments at you. Boy, do I feel embarassed. I mean, I've been pouring through each and every thread here for like 18 hours a day, chronicling each and every posters proclivities (the people who post here are really important in the grand scheme of things you know). And, I KNEW YOU HATED BARRY!!! How foolish of me.

Despite your utter failure to say anything other that "don't you know who I am," you still said nothing about the fact that Bones was better than Fin.

What they say is true, the people in San Antonio are fat and stupid.

So let's see your track record so far

#1. Directed Pro Barry argument towards poster who has been such a staunch Barry supporter he is often called Erin Barry. For absolutely no reason other than ignorance and inability to hit quote in response to the correct poster. Way to make a positive impression on the board with your knowledge

#2. When poster asked for clarification of why those comments were directed at him, instead of the intelligent, "my bad" response...you answered with a smartass comment which only made you look stupider.

#3. Got ass kicked severely by quote function yet again.

#4. Insulted the majority of this board by saying San Antonians are fat and stupid as an attack directed towards Pro Barry poster, who lives in Austin.


So let's see who you've managed to attack and annoy so far...BarryFans and San Antonians...and yet here you are a Barry and a Spur fan...


One of us is way off course here...and I don't think it's me.


Way to go slick...only people I've ever encountered that are actually that stupid, while alternately thinking themselves to be extremely clever, are Lawyers and SR refugees...my guess is that you are both, or else ElNono got a new nick.

[ducks]

if finely was going to get major minutes would he not have been signed way before today

[T Park]

1) I don't really like this signing because I don't trust Pop with Finley. If I were guaranteed that Finley will be an end of the bench player, I'd be fine with it. But I'm afraid that Pop will keep him in the rotation, which would have a disastrous ending. If Finley is in the rotation come playoff time, I'd say the Spurs have no shot at a championship. His defense is just too poor and he doesn't come close to making up for it offensively.

2) The timing makes me think that the decision was between Pargo and Finley. Perhaps the Spurs offered Finley the 2-year, $4M contract they were reportedly offering Pargo.

3) Is there a personnel move T Park wouldn't fully support? The Spurs could sign Karl Malone's mom and T Park would go to his "who is better, give me names" routine.

4) It's scary to think that 2008-09 championship rides on whether Roger Mason, Jr. can produce at a high level. If he sucks, that means Finley will be forced into a lot of minutes.

5) The Spurs may still not be done this offseason. I think the Spurs are probably still looking around for a backup point guard. A trade also wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah yeah yeah, sorry if I like it.


Its horrible.

Spurs are done.

Sell my season tickets.

Happy faces?

all of you.

[ThunderStix®]

Why is Spurs not get some good young players? Not ones like Hill but better than this? They not need old players like Finley. Is Horry also coming back? Spurs is not doing good this off season.

I is agree with you, the Spurs is making stupid moves this off season, they is definitely need to get younger or they find selfs in not good playoff position.

They is also need to get Ginobili healthy so they can beat Lakers.

[Cloud786]

Finley Sux.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Yeah yeah yeah, sorry if I like it.


Its horrible.

Spurs are done.

Sell my season tickets.

Happy faces?

all of you.

[SenorSpur]

1) I don't really like this signing because I don't trust Pop with Finley. If I were guaranteed that Finley will be an end of the bench player, I'd be fine with it. But I'm afraid that Pop will keep him in the rotation, which would have a disastrous ending. If Finley is in the rotation come playoff time, I'd say the Spurs have no shot at a championship. His defense is just too poor and he doesn't come close to making up for it offensively.

2) The timing makes me think that the decision was between Pargo and Finley. Perhaps the Spurs offered Finley the 2-year, $4M contract they were reportedly offering Pargo.

3) Is there a personnel move T Park wouldn't fully support? The Spurs could sign Karl Malone's mom and T Park would go to his "who is better, give me names" routine.

4) It's scary to think that 2008-09 championship rides on whether Roger Mason, Jr. can produce at a high level. If he sucks, that means Finley will be forced into a lot of minutes.

5) The Spurs may still not be done this offseason. I think the Spurs are probably still looking around for a backup point guard. A trade also wouldn't surprise me.

Great points....all of them.

That's exactly what scares me about Finley too. When it comes to Finley, Pop is like a crack addict. He can't seem to put him aside...and if he does, he always comes back to him - usually to his own detriment.

[AFBlue]

I understand the potential FO frustration with most of your post, but I'm not sure I get this part. How has Hill proven what he can do, one way or the other? (Spurs FO going after Pargo isn't acceptable as a "sign that they've given up on Hill." We don't know what the Spurs intentions with Pargo were, whether as a PG backup, an insurance policy, or a guard who would get most of his minutes at the 2, and that they would have used a roster spot on instead of Finley. Based on the timing of things, the last one actually seems a possibility.)

The FO was pretty open about their expectations for Hill, saying that they thought he could contribute immediately and serve as a backup to Tony Parker.

They've sinced backed off those draft day exclamations and his inconsistent play at SL is a big reason why.

I didn't say anything about Pargo or what the Spurs going after him meant for Hill.

Bottom Line: Spurs expected Hill to be ready when he was drafted...and he's not close.

[timvp]

Yeah yeah yeah, sorry if I like it.


Its horrible.

Spurs are done.

Sell my season tickets.

Happy faces?

all of you.

All things considered, would you rather have Finley, Ross, Dixon, Giricek, Horry or Gist on the team next season?

Thanks in advance.

[T Park]

Gist and Giricek.

It aint happening, so no need in running around panicking.

[timvp]

All things considered, would you rather have Finley, Ross, Dixon, Giricek, Horry or Gist on the team next season?

Thanks in advance.

Personally, if the Spurs were just looking to sign a guy for veteran leadership, I would have preferred Horry over Finley. Horry is someone that just gives the team confidence even if he's the 12th man.

Finley to me only makes sense if he's given the role Steve Smith had by the end of the '03 season. If Pop is telling him that he's likely not going to be in the rotation and Finley still signed, I'd give the transaction a thumbs up. However, I just can't imagine that scenario being true.

[SenorSpur]

The FO was pretty open about their expectations for Hill, saying that they thought he could contribute immediately and serve as a backup to Tony Parker.

They've sinced backed off those draft day exclamations and his inconsistent play at SL is a big reason why.

I didn't say anything about Pargo or what the Spurs going after him meant for Hill.

Bottom Line: Spurs expected Hill to be ready when he was drafted...and he's not close.

I found it unusual for Pop to "gush" about a FA, the way he did about Hill. Sure he was inconsistent in SL play, but I don't think he's without value. He's going to need court time in order to develop. Perhaps some early time with the Toros is in order. The good thing is he's already a good defender. His offense can and will catch up. We'll probably see more of him as the long season progresses.

I still wish Pargo would've taken the bait, but I'm not surprised he didn't. I felt he was using the Spurs all along. Also, not surprised the Spurs turned back to Finley.

[objective]

Finley to me only makes sense if he's given the role Steve Smith had by the end of the '03 season. If Pop is telling him that he's likely not going to be in the rotation and Finley still signed, I'd give the transaction a thumbs up. However, I just can't imagine that scenario being true.

I agree totally about not trusting Pop with Finley (I don't trust him with the non-Duncan bigs either).

And the key is Steve Smith by the end of 03. Unfortunately, at the beginning of 02/03 Smith was still the starter until he got hurt very very early. By that time his long history of knee and leg issues finally caught up with him and forced Pop in a different directions.

Too bad the Michael Finley has pretty much been an iron man, he doesn't have the same history as Smith.

If Finley doesn't get hurt this year somehow, I think it more than likely that he has the same exact role in 09 as he did in 08.

[baseline bum]

Personally, if the Spurs were just looking to sign a
guy for veteran leadership, I would have preferred Horry over Finley. Horry is someone that just gives the team confidence even if he's the 12th man.

Finley to me only makes sense if he's given the role Steve Smith had by the end of the '03 season. If Pop is telling him that he's likely not going to be in the rotation and Finley still signed, I'd give the transaction a thumbs up. However, I just can't imagine that scenario being true.

Ouch. Steve Smith 2003 role = seeing the floor only when the team's up 25. I like Finley a bit better than that. I'd be happy seeing him in a Steve Kerr role... i.e., if nothing else is working, throw him in and pray that he can give you 5 minutes of turn back the clock play.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, I love the idea of Finley riding the pine like Steve Smith however there is no Stephen Jackson waiting in the wings to come in and take his minutes. Mason? We'll see.

Pop must be one of the most thick headed people on the planet. It's as if the obvious need to get younger only inspires him more to do the opposite.

I never saw anything other than ego to get excited about Finley deciding to come here. We should have tried to find the long 3 way the back then, but instead we create a logjam and give Barry's minutes to Finley. Ugh. It's hard to see how we didn't squander part of Barry's time here because Pop had a bromance with Finley.

I would have rather stuck with Big Dog v.2.0 for another year. His jumper was better and he would have been the only guy other than Tim with a post game, in addition to being cheaper.

I'm sure people will disagree with this and that's fine, I don't care.

The FO's shaky decision making ability is what is most troubling. We are so risk averse cheap, and in love with Europe that we can't seem to move forward. It's not that Presti and Pritchard were the true brains behind the scenes (though one can make a solid case) but there doesn't seem to be anyone in the FO to challenge these re ed decisions. Like with any dynasty (political or otherwise) the only people left are the pure sycophants who tell the boss that whatever they do is gold.

The players are the only ones who can hope to surprise me next year. As a coach, Pop is near God, but the personnel moves remind me of a leader who is sequestered from reality.

[baseline bum]

If Finley doesn't get hurt this year somehow, I think it more than likely that he has the same exact role in 09 as he did in 08.

Yeah, I'm pretty scared the Roger Mason signing is pretty much at the expense of Udoka's minutes and not Finley's.

[timtonymanu]

man, here i was looking forward to this offseason. and the most exciting thing for me was the resigning of kurt thomas. since finley was signed this late, he should know that he has to step up his game and work on his shot since he cant defend at all.

[Tully365]

Yeah, I'm pretty scared the Roger Mason signing is pretty much at the expense of Udoka's minutes and not Finley's.

I hope not. I'm hoping it looks something like this:

Mason 20-25 mpg
Udoka 20-25 mpg
Finley 12-18 mpg

[AFBlue]

People act like Finley is going to get a free pass if he has crappy play, but I don't think that's the case...in the long run.

I think it's very possible that Finley is in the starting 5 to begin the season, but I fully expect Udoka, and to a lesser extent Mason, to challenge Finley for the starting spot and minutes.

Pop does value Finley's intangibles, but I don't think they're going to buy him much room for error when the season begins.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm expecting Mason to start, and I hope that he does..I watched a number of his games last year, and he's going to surprise some people..great work ethic and should get better playing in our system..

I don't mind Finley as much if he's only gonna play at certain times..but like others have said, the combination of Finley+Pop is the part that scares me the most..

[jcrod]

Ouch. Steve Smith 2003 role = seeing the floor only when the team's up 25. I like Finley a bit better than that. I'd be happy seeing him in a Steve Kerr role... i.e., if nothing else is working, throw him in and pray that he can give you 5 minutes of turn back the clock play.

[baseline bum]

People act like Finley is going to get a free pass if he has crappy play, but I don't think that's the case...in the long run.

It has been the case the previous two years.

[Fabbs]

How do the two dollar amounts compare, or will it ever be known?
The amount Barry would have taken to stay vs the amount Findawg is going to sign for? Or if the Spurs FO never was going to offer Barry a thing, what did he sign with Hou for vs Findawgs new contract?

How the *&^% Barry *played himself out of a position* with his 2008 playoff performance vs Findawgs is beyond me. Assuming the money is close to the same. Or did Barry just want to get more playing time and ball handling duties, something Numb Nutts was seldom going to give him.

Props to Fins for 2007 playoffs, but i don't think he'll even sniff that performance again.

[The Truth #6]

Subtraction by addition.

Presti makes one savvy move after enough. Meanwhile, our FO acts like blundering, drunken characters out of a miserable Dostoevsky novel.

Luckily our 4 rings proves that everything we do is genius.

If Manu can somehow pull out a season for the ages he will overcome the trash the FO has dealt out to us. Basically, we're going to ride the Big 3 into the sunset and then throw as many rennaissance nerds around them as possible. It's like we're recruiting for an academic Decathalon and not a le contending basketball team.