Scola Performance on USA vs Argentina

[timvp]

That's like saying if you can survive getting shot in the head you can survive taking a piss.

Right. Thanks for the translation.

[Tmac&Luther]

Scola not that good and he's over-rated.



Every time I see Matt Bonner on the bench, or even worse, in a game...I am reminded of the sort of players you like...

I would really love for you to explain how a 1st year player that cost practically nothing and was able to put up 10 & 6 on the season (as a 4th option) without even starting half the season at PF is overrated......would love for you to explain how a player that posted 14 & 9 as a rookie in the playoffs is overrated.

But other than the fact that you can't explain that....infact you can't even form a agrument against it, but go ahead be a little pussy and respond with another gay smiley and prove to everybody how wrong you are.

and as for Scola being a "Matt Bonner" type player.......Oberto and Matt Bonner put up the same production.

Now queue the pussy cop-out smiley Mr. Prime Minister.

[whottt]

Right. Thanks for the translation.

Hey..it's just returning the favor.

[DROB4EVER]

Look at rockets fan talking smack. The same rockets who have a center made of glass. Im taking bets on which season ending injury he will have this year. A Sg who is hurt all the time and who epicly fails every yr in the playoffs.

A whack job SF who carrys on conversations with himself when he isnt making crap albums I mean rap albums.

Scola was a solid player but is overated for sure. Ian will be 3 times the player Scola is. You guys just try to keep up with us this year.

[Tmac&Luther]

Look at rockets fan talking smack. The same rockets who have a center made of glass. Im taking bets on which season ending injury he will have this year. A Sg who is hurt all the time and who epicly fails every yr in the playoffs.

A whack job SF who carrys on conversations with himself when he isnt making crap albums I mean rap albums.

Scola was a solid player but is overated for sure. Ian will be 3 times the player Scola is. You guys just try to keep up with us this year.

We have a glass center, a injury prone 2 guard, and a crazy mofo at SF...

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Great now that we have gotten past all of that, because I'm still looking for my answer......HOW IS SCOLA OVERRATED?

Nobody has ever said he's going to be the next great PF, nobody has said he's a allstar. Everybody has just said he's a fantastic player and a solid player that can help a veteran team win ball games. He's the perfect hussle guy that you don't have to design plays for.....you can just run your offense and Scola is quietly going to have a great night finding his own buckets within your offense while grabbing boards and diving for loose balls.

When Yao was out Scola was able to step up and become a second option in the playoffs.....he's that versatile.

Anyways back to the original question.....how is Scola overrated?

[ElNono]

Personally, I don't think Scola is overrated at all. I think he had an excellent rookie year, and just like all great talents, it will take him a while to 'learn' the league, the refs, etc. Happened with Tony, Dirk, Manu...
I concur with timvp observation that he's in great shape.

I personally moved on from that trade. I said it was bad back then, and honestly it got worse as the time moved on. But there's no going back now. We got what we got, and hopefully it will be enough.

[Solid D]

Looks like I missed a lot since Saturday afternoon. By the way, I've noticed that if I don't log out but close the browser and leave, sometimes it still shows I'm on-line in whatever thread I last entered...for what it's worth.

Scola is a very good role player and any way you want to slice it, he played well against some of the best USA NBA players. I know the NBA All-Stars had to focus on such scoring threats and impact players as Prigioni, Quinteros, Delfino and Nocioni so it was pretty easy going for 28 points/11 reb/2 blocks/2 steals, but he's an okay player, I guess.

Whottt, as far as the Rockets being a good defensive team goes, I'll see you in the other thread, when I can get some time.

[urunobili]

BTW, my name is whottt. I am a single gay male and I post on here occasionally. You'll probably see other posts by me on this forum on a daily basis like 4,5 times a day sprees and i'm the biggest attention of them all... you may also see me including participation in various threads.

Nice to meet you and PM me whenever you want, and btw welcome to SpursTalk.

Fixed

[Bruno]

That's a lie because Bruno initially said the trade was a bad one before flipflopping the next day and supporting the trade.

No, you're wrong.
Bruno's stance on the trade has been consistent from day one. He didn't like the trade but didn't consider him as an horrible one.

Damn, I'm taking the timvp's road by referring to myself in the third person.

And I know who is the flipflop king :

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...4&postcount=33

I'd bring over Mahinmi and probably pick between Scola and Bonner, whichever is cheaper. The mistake I worry the Spurs doing is trading Butler before they ever give him a chance.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...&postcount=200

And no, I wasn't more upset with Butler leaving than Scola leaving.

[wildchild]

Yeah wouldn't it be nice to have Scola to help offset the decline of Oberto. And Oberto's decline is damn obvious. Even in international play, he was a s of his 2004 self. Sucks but he looks done. And I say that as a eight year fan of Oberto.

Oberto looks done? Maybe I'm wrong but you didn't say the same in the Suprs-Hornets round. Only two months later and now he looks done? .
Plus Oberto was injured in the Olympic Games.

[century]

The Spurs don't need Scola because they have great players like Oberto and Bonner.

[picnroll]

How much did the shoe deal Scola got in China play into his willingness to come over and sign with the Rockets?

[timvp]

No, you're wrong.
Bruno's stance on the trade has been consistent from day one. He didn't like the trade but didn't consider him as an horrible one.

Not a good trade.
While dumping Butler contract somewhere was maybe the right thing to do, Scola is a lot to pay to do that.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=528

Your first reaction was right. But then you flipflopped and tried to say the Scola trade was everything from "unavoidable" to "meaningless". Truth it was a horrible trade. Even as a salary dump it was weak. Considering that it ended up being Scola and Splitter for nothing, trying to protect the trade is impossible.

Even whottt has waved the white flag. ChumpDumper also stopped directly supporting the trade.

I've said from day one that I've siad that I didn't like the Scola trade but I considered him as a quite meaningless one.
So far, I've been right on that.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=195

The Scola trade was meaningless?

Scola and Splitter are both better than any big the Spurs have outside of Duncan. Trading both away for nothing was not a meaningless trade. If the Spurs had Scola and Splitter, one would be starting and the other would be the first big off the bench.

If you want to say the Scola trade was good, that makes more sense than saying it was meaningless.

And I know who is the flipflop king :

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...4&postcount=33


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...&postcount=200

Let's see. Six months past between those two posts. In that time, we got to see Butler in summer league. I can also find a post of you saying you wouldn't trade Butler for a second round pick around the same time, so don't think I was the only one who was unaware that Butler had retired after cashing in his millions.

And more importantly, where do I say in that post to trade Scola? As I said the whole time, the Spurs should have called Scola's bluff. Even if he signed longterm in Tau, the Spurs could have then turned around and signed Splitter. I never thought Scola would actually sign longterm in Europe and thought he'd be a good replacement once Horry left.

If the Spurs played their cards right, they could have landed both Splitter and Scola. They made a panic move on a Scola bluff and are paying the price.

Hopefully Mahinmi or some other big emerges so we can put this topic to bed but I can't really be too mad at Spurs fans who are still frustrated at a trade that was so horribly stupid from Day 1.

[Bruno]

Your first reaction was right. But then you flipflopped and tried to say the Scola trade was everything from "unavoidable" to "meaningless".

You can "not like" a trade and call it a "quite meaningless" at the same time. I don't see where the flip flop is.

The best proof that it isn't flip flop is that I said it in the same post :
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...&postcount=383

The Scola trade was meaningless?

Yes, it was. Scola hasn't been an impact player in NBA so far.

And more importantly, where do I say in that post to trade Scola? As I said the whole time, the Spurs should have called Scola's bluff. Even if he signed longterm in Tau, the Spurs could have then turned around and signed Splitter. I never thought Scola would actually sign longterm in Europe and thought he'd be a good replacement once Horry left.

If the Spurs played their cards right, they could have landed both Splitter and Scola. They made a panic move on a Scola bluff and are paying the price.

You're way off.

First case, your theory of Scola bluffing is right and Scola would have been a free agent this summer. Look at what amount some players got in Russia. Do you really think that Scola would have signed a bargain contract with Spurs while Russian teams would have offered him way more money ? Be honest one second, Scola would have taken the money and sign a huge contract in Russia.
Second case, your theory of Scola bluffing was wrong and Scola signed a long term contract with Tau last summer. Your assumption that Spurs would have been able to get Splitter is also false. Splitter salary in Tau isn't that high (€1.4M per year). Tau could have had both. In the case they couldn't have had both, a Russian team would have likely offered them a lot of money to get Splitter. I'm quite sure Tau would have taken the money road and let Splitter go in Russia.

Just leave timvp's fantasy world were Spurs could have gotten both Scola and Splitter :
- Letting Scola rot in Europe wouldn't have been a positive solution.
- Splitter and Scola have almost nothing to do. Whether or not Scola had stayed with Tau, Splitter was lost.

Hopefully Mahinmi or some other big emerges so we can put this topic to bed but I can't really be too mad at Spurs fans who are still frustrated at a trade that was so horribly stupid from Day 1.

We both know what is the truth. You were pissed at this trade because of Butler, not because of Scola.
Month after, you come back in your white knight suit and say "Look at what Scola has done, I was right to call it the worst trade of Spurs history"

First, let's wait to see what Scola will do this year before judging this trade. He has had a good rookie year but it's not enough to turn this trade into a the disaster you said.
Second, the only way you can do your white knight things is if Butler plays great. You were fine with Spurs signing Bonner and not Scola, deal with that.

[Bonior]

Scola hasn't been an impact player in NBA so far.

I don't know how you measure "impact". On Jan. 26, 2008, the Rockets had a mediocre 24-19 record. Scola became a starter for us the next day, and we finished the season on a 31-7 tear. I would say Scola had a tremendous impact on our team.

[whottt]

I don't know how you measure "impact". On Jan. 26, 2008, the Rockets had a mediocre 24-19 record. Scola became a starter for us the next day, and we finished the season on a 31-7 tear. I would say Scola had a tremendous impact on our team.

That's typical of a Rick Adelman Team in the early part of his coaching tenure....seriously, check his record. Right down to doing it when a key player is injured.

Next year or this year your team will make a serious run at the best record in the league, possibly attaining it. Then TMac will choke and Adelman will whine and the wheels will begin to come off. But it'll take a good long torturous while before that final wheel comes off. Sure you want to say eventually he'll break through and win a championship...but uh-uh, not built around TMac(and Scola), with Yao becoming more and more injury prone, he won't...

Basically, it's Rick Adelman's world...you're just living in it.

[Bruno]

I don't know how you measure "impact". On Jan. 26, 2008, the Rockets had a mediocre 24-19 record. Scola became a starter for us the next day, and we finished the season on a 31-7 tear. I would say Scola had a tremendous impact on our team.

First, regular season. The true NBA season starts in April with the playoffs. The regular season is just an endless preseason.

Second, your logic is flawed. Rockets have ended well the regular season last year because of a lot of factors like an easy schedule, the team mastering better Adelman's style, some players playing better (Scola, Alston, Landry...)...
Giving Scola all the credit for the 31-7 ending is plain wrong.

[Allanon]

If you think Scola is not an impact player or not good you're smoking crack.

In 25 minutes, he score 10ppg on 51% shooting, 6 rebounds.

If you do a per 48 minutes, he'd be about 20 ppg, 11 rebounds.

20 ppg & 11 rbds are close to All Star numbers.... and that was his rookie season.

Scola this year on the Spurs would have alleviated the scoring pressure off the Big 3 and allowed more rest for Manu since Tim, TP, Finley + Scola could provide pretty good #'s. And since he's Manu's buddy, Manu could have trusted him to get the job done and feel secure in resting his ankle more.

It was a terrible trade, really screwed the Spurs last season, and this season will allow the Rockets the depth to be one of the best NBA teams this year.

But it's time to move past this one as its not going to change now.

[whottt]

If you think Scola is not an impact player or not good you're smoking crack.

In 25 minutes, he score 10ppg on 51% shooting, 6 rebounds.

If you do a per 48 minutes, he'd be about 20 ppg, 11 rebounds.

20 ppg & 11 rbds are close to All Star numbers.... and that was his rookie season.

Scola this year on the Spurs would have alleviated the scoring pressure off the Big 3 and allowed more rest for Manu since Tim, TP, Finley + Scola could provide pretty good #'s. And since he's Manu's buddy, Manu could have trusted him to get the job done and feel secure in resting his ankle more.

It was a terrible trade, really screwed the Spurs last season, and this season will allow the Rockets the depth to be one of the best NBA teams this year.

But it's time to move past this one as its not going to change now.

You wish!

[Allanon]

You wish!

I'm certain Scola shot your dog or something like that.

[smeagol]

whottt's take on Scola should be disregarded. He posts them under extreme emotional instability.

[MajorMike]

Oh, mah, lawd, will you swole argy wannabes ever get over this whole thing?

[Red Hawk #21]

Scola was so impressive in that game, I really hope Al Horford can model his game to be something like luis scola's game.

[Bonior]

[Going 24-19, making Scola a starter, then going 31-7 is] typical of a Rick Adelman Team in the early part of his coaching tenure....seriously, check his record. Right down to doing it when a key player is injured.

That could be typical Adelman, but Scola could still be important. You would be more likely right if we started winning some random time after making Scola a starter; if that was what happened, we could question his value. But our huge winning roll started almost instantly; the only exception was a loss in the very first game of Scola's tenure as a starter, when Yao was out with the flu. We had a huge turnaround after making just one change: Scola. So I think he was very important to us.

Next year or this year your team will make a serious run at the best record in the league, possibly attaining it. Then TMac will choke and Adelman will whine and the wheels will begin to come off. But it'll take a good long torturous while before that final wheel comes off. Sure you want to say eventually he'll break through and win a championship...but uh-uh, not built around TMac(and Scola), with Yao becoming more and more injury prone, he won't...

Basically, it's Rick Adelman's world...you're just living in it.

We could be watching another rerun of the Adelman Show, true, but somehow I doubt it. The difference this time is that the Rockets were already a great defensive team when Adelman showed up. His previous teams sometimes played good defense, but you always got the feeling that offense was the priority. Not so on the Rockets. We were a great defensive team, we continued to be great under Adelman, and with the addition of Artest our defense could be legendary. And as you fans of the Spurs know so well, defense wins championships.

[Bonior]

[Discussing Scola's impact] First, regular season. The true NBA season starts in April with the playoffs. The regular season is just an endless preseason.

Kevin Garnett passed the first round of the playoffs only 3 times in his career. So are you saying that KG was not an impact player in 9 of his 12 seasons? I think you need to revise your definition of "impact".

Second, your logic is flawed. Rockets have ended well the regular season last year because of a lot of factors like an easy schedule, the team mastering better Adelman's style, some players playing better (Scola, Alston, Landry...)...
Giving Scola all the credit for the 31-7 ending is plain wrong.

As I said in the message just above, the Rockets started winning instantly upon making Scola a starter (the only exception being the first game when Yao was out with the flu). I think that's pretty strong evidence that Sola has had a huge impact on our team.