Scola Performance on USA vs Argentina

[Tmac&Luther]

Scola won't be able to play like that in the NBA.

http://www.nba.com/games/20080416/LACHOU/boxscore.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20080414/HOUUTA/boxscore.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20080111/MINHOU/boxscore.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20071228/HOUMEM/boxscore.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20071123/HOUMIA/boxscore.html

and against the Spurs

http://www.nba.com/games/20071116/HOUSAS/boxscore.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20080330/HOUSAS/boxscore.html

As well as 14 & 9 in the playoffs while holding Carlos Boozer well below his averages (so there goes Whotts ty defense theory......didn't really understand that argument anyways, because he's at worst just as good as Oberto defensively, plus he's not a old as dirt, no talent hack like Oberto)

and all of this was just done in his rookie season while he was still making the transition to the NBA.....so YES......

I do think Scola will be able to play like that in the NBA, because he already has.

[Nocioni]

I want Scola for the cavs

[AusSpursFan]

How you can sign Oberto and not Scola? I will never know. Someone really earnt their salary making that decision. But in all seriousness, what is going on in our FO lately? Imagine where we would be if we had signed Scola and not Oberto and more recently drafted Chalmers instead of Hill? It was not like these were tough decisions. I am still hoping to be proven wrong with Hill, but I have my doubts heading into the future with the knowledge that our FO doesn't exactly adopt rationale thought.

[Solid D]

Solid, I remember you and I having this debate during the winning streak and I remember 21 games in or so I looked at the Rockets past schedule and what the health situation was of the good teams they had beaten, and I then looked at the up and coming schedule and accurately predicted them losing 4 out of the next 7 games based on the frontline matchups, they not only lost to every team I predicted they would lose too, they lost to one I didn't...I looked for you to respond to that and I don't recall you ever doing so. I still stand by my comments about Scola's worth and impact as a player...

Not impressed with Luis Scola.

The thread you are referencing is the "Rockets Winning Streak Is Impressive" thread. It wasn't really a debate about Scola. That was the thread where you were saying the Rockets were not a "true" defensive team under Adelman and even though somewhere in there you agreed that the Rockets' winning streak was impressive, they weren't world-beaters. So, even though you agreed with the thread premise, you tried to reset the premise and used all sorts of different slants on why the Rockets weren't a true defensive team.

Then you went off on one of your re-qualifying points that was separate from the topic by saying the Rockets had seen some teams that were missing players and once they played the Celtics, Hornets, Suns and Spurs, they would lose those games. Nobody disagreed with you but you were acting as though people might. The winning streak ended with Boston, and that was the end of the winning streak thread. I responded back to you regarding Boston but there was nothing else really to respond to otherwise. Your prediction was decent but nobody really disagreed with your prediction. It was a non-argued point and everyone moved on.

Your memory of being right about a prediction that nobody disagreed with you about is accurate though.

[DaDakota]

Thanks for the gift Spurs !



Scola doing it against team USA.



DD

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

Yall made a dumb trade dude...Scola is a stud!!

[anakha]

Yall made a dumb trade dude...Scola is a stud!!

You're a year behind the times - bashing Ginobili for the injury is the smack du jour this week.

[whottt]

The thread you are referencing is the "Rockets Winning Streak Is Impressive" thread. It wasn't really a debate about Scola. That was the thread where you were saying the Rockets were not a "true" defensive team under Adelman and even though somewhere in there you agreed that the Rockets' winning streak was impressive, they weren't world-beaters. So, even though you agreed with the thread premise, you tried to reset the premise and used all sorts of different slants on why the Rockets weren't a true defensive team.

Then you went off on one of your re-qualifying points that was separate from the topic by saying the Rockets had seen some teams that were missing players and once they played the Celtics, Hornets, Suns and Spurs, they would lose those games. Nobody disagreed with you but you were acting as though people might. The winning streak ended with Boston, and that was the end of the winning streak thread. I responded back to you regarding Boston but there was nothing else really to respond to otherwise. Your prediction was decent but nobody really disagreed with your prediction. It was a non-argued point and everyone moved on.

Your memory of being right about a prediction that nobody disagreed with you about is accurate though.

Hmmm....I seem to recall you citing the Rockets defensive FG% and I seem to recall part of my prediction was that stat, like Scola, would soon prove to be fool's gold...that was the point behind the prediction I made. And so it was...when matched up with a traditional and healthy NBA frontline.

So bring up stats all you want...and I'll keep pointing out the meaninglessness of them based on actual results with accurate predictions made based on the very apparent flaws in Scola's game. He's not near as good as you guys think he is...you guys are just hung up on stats....and I've got the predictions and lack of substantial results, based upon his flaws, to prove it.


You've got stats, and that's all you've got...and it's not like I grossly underpredicted his productution. I predicted he'd put up 9 and 4 on a healthy Rockets Team...he put up 10 and 6 on an injured one, after sucking hard early...and the Rockets didn't get out the first round, and they fared poorly against legitimate NBA frontlines. So far I am more aware of his postives, and his negatives, than his fans are...you guys aren't aware of his negatives at all...and thus our disagreement.

The point of those predictions was not that I was right just for being right...I am usually right, certainly right enough to where it isn't a novelty...the point is those predictions were based upon Scola and his weaknesses.


Not good enough to justify all the ing done in his name. Not nearly good enough.......

[DaDakota]

The only stat that matters is whether the team wins...Scola helps his team win...everywhere.

DD

[Solid D]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89781

Well, here.
This is the thread you are referring to. I should have just looked it up and posted the link earlier but I was in a hurry to do other things.

It's here for all to see where you were going and then where the rest of us were going with this thread. Let the Forum see it for what it is.

[timvp]

Solid D just curbstomped whottt.

Wow.

[whottt]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89781

Well, here.
This is the thread you are referring to. I should have just looked it up and posted the link earlier but I was in a hurry to do other things.

It's here for all to see where you were going and then where the rest of us were going with this thread. Let the Forum see it for what it is.

You mean aside from it "going" as a Rockets thread in the Spurs forum? Yes..everyone else was so correct there.


Will it make you feel better if I tell you you can replace JVG with Rick Adelman and not lose any defensive focus? Because that seems to be what you want to hear.


It won't be true...but I can say it if it will free you from the idea that my non-circular argument was circular.

[whottt]

Solid D just curbstomped whottt.

Wow.

:yawn


I just curbstomped you. Wow.

[whottt]

BTW Solid D...there was something left for you to respond to:

Well, point A. isn't supported since the Rockets have held their opponents to 324-830 (.390) without Yao during the streak.

Can we can get some thoughts about that mighty Rockets defensive frontline holding players to 39% FG?

I notice you lost interest in the debate at exactly that point.....


Would you like me to post their defensive FG% after they started facing legitimate frontlines without Yao, or would you just prefer to keep calling my argument circular?


I guess timvp is right...I haven't been curbstomped this badly by you 2 since Robert Horry was "done" back in 2004.



Sigh...

[whottt]

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I'll save you the time...it was 45% for the rest of the season...over 50% against playoff teams.

[Tmac&Luther]

Hmmm....I seem to recall you citing the Rockets defensive FG% and I seem to recall part of my prediction was that stat, like Scola, would soon prove to be fool's gold...that was the point behind the prediction I made. And so it was...when matched up with a traditional and healthy NBA frontline.

So bring up stats all you want...and I'll keep pointing out the meaninglessness of them based on actual results with accurate predictions made based on the very apparent flaws in Scola's game. He's not near as good as you guys think he is...you guys are just hung up on stats....and I've got the predictions and lack of substantial results, based upon his flaws, to prove it.


You've got stats, and that's all you've got...and it's not like I grossly underpredicted his productution. I predicted he'd put up 9 and 4 on a healthy Rockets Team...he put up 10 and 6 on an injured one, after sucking hard early...and the Rockets didn't get out the first round, and they fared poorly against legitimate NBA frontlines. So far I am more aware of his postives, and his negatives, than his fans are...you guys aren't aware of his negatives at all...and thus our disagreement.

The point of those predictions was not that I was right just for being right...I am usually right, certainly right enough to where it isn't a novelty...the point is those predictions were based upon Scola and his weaknesses.


Not good enough to justify all the ing done in his name. Not nearly good enough.......

Seriously you can't even see how much of a fool your making yourself look right now.

You spend all this time making these lengthy threads (just like you did last year) and you think people actually believe the crap that your trying to sell. Everybody now knows what kind of player Scola is and now they just laugh at your continued hate on him.....they are laughing at how wrong you were and still are about him.

You have become the message board equivalent of the old Iraqi Prime Minister.....you know the idiot that constantly denied that the American forces were bearing down on Baghdad even though Uncle Sam had a scud missile shoved up his ass. "No people, Scola sucks...he'll never do anything in the NBA" "Scola is just Oberto, with a couple of more offensive moves". "the FO knew what they were doing, because Scola is not going to be a good player".........please STHU.

and please save yourself the embarrassment and stop insulting everybody's intelligence with your rediculous excuses and white wash bullcrap....your FO made a goof, even if you don't want to admit they did, that's fine.......but don't try to knock Scola down a peg just to make yourself feel better....especially when you have a piece of crap like Oberto playing at a position where Scola could be playing.

[whottt]

Seriously you can't even see how much of a fool your making yourself look right now.

You spend all this time making these lengthy threads (just like you did last year) and you think people actually believe the crap that your trying to sell. Everybody now knows what kind of player Scola is and now they just laugh at your continued hate on him.....they are laughing at how wrong you were and still are about him.

You have become the message board equivalent of the old Iraqi Prime Minister.....you know the idiot that constantly denied that the American forces were bearing down on Baghdad even though Uncle Sam had a scud missile shoved up his ass. "No people, Scola sucks...he'll never do anything in the NBA" "Scola is just Oberto, with a couple of more offensive moves". "the FO knew what they were doing, because Scola is not going to be a good player".........please STHU.

and please save yourself the embarrassment and stop insulting everybody's intelligence with your rediculous excuses and white wash bullcrap....your FO made a goof, even if you don't want to admit they did that's fine.......but don't try to knock Scola down a peg just to make yourself feel better....especially when you have a piece of crap like Oberto playing at a position where Scola could be playing.

Um...somewhere along the way you must have confused yourself, because you are operating under a severe delusion that I give a flying what a RocketFan thinks of the Scola trade...

Do you see me discussing this in a RocketForum? No you do not...there is a reason for that. Because I am absolutely not interested in their opinion...

Keep that in mind in the future would you?

I am not interested in what you have to say...at all. And I never will be..for the rest of your life.

[timvp]

Scola is now curbstomping whottt himself. If Scola can carry Argentina to a bronze medal, whottt will be wrong for the 234236346345 time.

Of course he'll dance around it and use his patented circular logic.

[whottt]

Scola is now curbstomping whottt himself. If Scola can carry Argentina to a bronze medal, whottt will be wrong for the 234236346345 time.

That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard...

Argentina has 3 NBA players on it even without Manu, even if you don't include Scola. That's a ridiculous statment that they are the underdogs in this game, which they would have to be before I would predict them to lose...and I never said it.

You could remove Nocioni too and they would still be about even with the Lithuanians...

And Bronze medals aren't gold medals...

Of course he'll dance around it and use his patented circular logic.

My logic isn't circular...people are just too stupid to understand what I am saying.

I don't see what's so hard to understand honestly...then again, you guys thought Horry was done and that Barry was a heartless choker so maybe I need make my explanations simpler...



I don't see how much simpler it can get that Adelman isn't the defensive coach Van Gundy is...that Yao is a defensive presence in the lineup, and that the Rockets Frontline got owned once they ran into legitimate ones.

There is nothing circular about my statements...

[Tmac&Luther]

Um...somewhere along the way you must have confused yourself, because you are operating under a severe delusion that I give a flying what a RocketFan thinks of the Scola trade...

Do you see me discussing this in a RocketForum? No you do not...there is a reason for that. Because I am absolutely not interested in their opinion...

Keep that in mind in the future would you?

I am not interested in what you have to say...at all. And I never will be..for the rest of your life.

That's because you know everything I said was correct Mr. Prime Minister.....tell us again how your argument isn't falling to around you.

Do you know what's worse than being wrong? (actually being wrong isn't that bad, it happens and nobody is going to hold that against you).

What's worse than being wrong, is being to damn STUPID to admit you were wrong.......every time you respond in this thread you just come off sounding like a bigger and bigger dumbass.

[whottt]

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It's funny that you are typing stuff to me...and I'm not reading it, at all

[Tmac&Luther]

It's funny that you are typing stuff to me...and I'm not reading it, at all

Yeah, I'm sure you didn't read one word .....but you sure as responded to it didn't you..Mr. Prime Minister....."there is nothing going on, everything is fine"...."scola sucks, just like I said."

[whottt]

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"Tmac"

[Tmac&Luther]

I bet this guy really just cries himself to sleep thinking about Scola.....that's why he's the only one on this board that hasn't been able to come clean, admit he was wrong, and then move on......because that's really the only way this is ever going to be put to rest.

When the Prime Minister finally tells the truth and admits he was wrong, until then he's just going to continue to look like a jackass with stupid responses like the one above and the one below.

[whottt]